[IMC-Tech] [imc-irl] embedded youtube videos should not be used on imc??

[Phil]

Kenneth Peiruza a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
>
>     There is a tool for uploading videos (in testing) at
> images.indymedia.org , so, it's not necessary to upload your stuff to
> youtube anymore.
>
>     The software choosen is Anydata ( http://devel.anydata.tv ), if do
> you want a username/password to try out, just tell. Videos have better
> quality than in Youtube and there's no watermark. Anydata handles  mp3,
> wav, all video formats and all image formats, so, you don't need to
> upload videos in some place and audios somewhere else :D
>
>
>     Nowadays it stores:
>           - Files (PDF, all video, some audios, all images.... we were
> even able to preview and index all formats supported by OpenOffice)
>           - URLs
>           - Contacts
>           - HTML "notes"
>
>     Please, guys, ask for a testing account and help us improve this GPL
> software!
>
>     Currently we are implementing it in three other sites:
>
>           http://anydata.hangar.org for multimedia repository
>           http://directori.moviments.net an open directory of social
> movements, worker union's and non profits
>           http://training.gnun.net   for hosting training materials of
> GNU/Linux
>
>    
>     All they are based upon our testing template, however the look is
> completly independent, as shown with the RSS feed, which in fact it's
> just another template :D
>    
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Kenneth
>
> En/na garcondumonde ha escrit:
>   
>> hello,
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Fun Peace <fuspey at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> I feel this is for a wider dialogue with the imc-ie collective:
>>>> GDM wrote:
>>>>  "embedded youtube videos should not be used - this allows logging of
>>>> IPs
>>>> of all visitors to the (indymedia) page by youtube, which indymedia
>>>> should
>>>> not do."
>>>> im not sure what was, is the imc-ie view on this?
>>>> this discussion arises from a imc-org feature proposal for article
>>>> presently on imc-ie, including embedded vids via youtube
>>>>
>>>> perhaps others might offer light
>>>> regards, dunk
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> I think this horse left the barn a long time ago - the issue is moot,
>>> IMHO.
>>>
>>> Indymedias have to stop thinking that the state's internet surveillance is
>>> as unsophisticated as ten years ago.  It is safe to assume that every bit
>>> and byte that flows from and to indymedia.ie is monitored in some way.
>>>     
>>>       
>> perhaps that is a good reason for people to *not* use indymedia ireland then?
>>
>> really, in all seriousness, do you really think that?? the uk imc (not
>> very far from ireland, and operating under similar laws) recently had a
>> server seized for exactly the reason that the state was trying to trace
>> someone - and was otherwise unable to. for full information, please look
>> at the website: https://www.indymedia.org.uk for further info. in
>> particular, i would point you to the second or third feature article which
>> specifically addresses the question "how do you know that indymedia uk
>> does not keep logs?" and also at the various links from that article. you
>> might also like to search through the archives of the imc-tech list which
>> has had - if not this - very similar discussions in the past about
>> ip-logging, embedding of other sites within articles (rather than just
>> links - and, perhaps i misunderstand what ireland is actually doing here),
>> use of alternative media players to achieve youtube-type functionality,
>> etc.
>>
>> solidarity,
>>
>>        --gdm
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Hello,

I personnaly appreciate this player :
http://www.longtailvideo.com/players/jw-flv-player/
it is distributed using 


    Creative Commons Licence Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0
    Unported

for non-commercial use so would suit for an indy portal.
As its source codes and API are largerly available
http://developer.longtailvideo.com/trac/

it may in any case be usefull to compare with another project ;

As for videos or audio items i do not feel sure trying to allow ANY type of file to work really helps final users to best-manage their resources ; on the contrary I adopted this solution because former versions were more restrictive which clarified exactly what would work - all the rest would not.

 
anyway FLOWPLAYER
http://flowplayer.org/

seems also a promissive player.

But maybe you all know these solutions.

About the problem with youtube, there is surely a serious debate concerning those "social networks" which are a real menace for all people attached to free speach, free software ans setf regulated online technologies. I think the licence problem is only one aspect of the debate, they are also corporate and polital matter arround it and maybe at some level questions posed about the attraction of people for these offers and what perhaps may evoluate in the indy network toolbox in order to propose a clever alternative.

They are curently some GNU projects working on free platforms offering users not only to "publish" their contents on web but also to use their own webspaces as kinds of personnal intercourses managers. This subject is rich as it also refers to the way people may protect their private life and may choose to share or keep their infos. 
http://appleseed.sourceforge.net/
In a certain way, question may be asked about how technically a group could offer direct relationship opportunities without tracking ips, protecting one's privacy, and incitating to beware of the global markeplace...???

...

As a matter of fact, for a certain time i believe there is maybe something to deal within indy network, that the traditionnal tools like newswires and editorial policies, inherited from the traditionnal press processes, won't help to solve. after all these business companies draining more and more people using their so "social" tools tend to do exactly what was meant in the origin of indy network : allowing people to publish their own contents...in a way we would not encourage...but how may we encourage to behave another way on our side ?...

Sorry for these long disgressions.

I'd be happy to help any project involving hacktivism for extended free speach and protection of people's privacy arround these tracks...
The best to you all.

Phil