[Imc-uk-features] South Coast Indymedia is about to lift off!!!!!

[Space Bunny]

Planet Mail wrote:

> linked from the kollectives frontpage box - without any new prep... 
> and with the spoof funny (read: big debate about sexism) banner... is 
> this the banner south coast has decided to go with??


Big Debate?
An objection was put to South Coast imc about their first banner tested 
out on
http://dev.indymedia.org.uk
which was agreed at one of their meetings.
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/img/sc-imc-banner-1.jpg

Do check out whole debate from:
http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/imc-uk-southcoast/2004-May/000079.html

After some debate:
http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/imc-uk-southcoast/2004-June/000091.html

The caption was changed:
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/img/sc-imc-banner-2.jpg
which has been on
http://dev.indymedia.org.uk
for ages.

I myself am sympathetic to a critic of that banner. But I think we have 
to be careful with dealing with an embryonic kollektive, that it is up 
to any us to who critic a part of  their move to become part of imcuk to 
guide them through any resolution of the issues, else it is very easy 
for the emerging group dynamic to fall apart.
The truth is many of the existing imcers are very busy with just keeping 
imcuk going to engage enough with emerging groups, in a guiding way. It 
is very easy for them to be pushed off course and crushed, when they are 
not yet linked into live web project.

If someone does want to block based on new banner then I suggest it 
replaced with a banner that looks very temp, eg South Coast Indymedia in 
times new roman. But keep site live so issue does not stall collective 
building itself around new task and engagment on the issue between those 
concerned takes place.

When a kollektive starts to grow around practically maintaining that sub 
page then they will be in better shape to react and engage with concerns 
and issues from the wider Indymedia and also their viewers and users.

> don't get me wrong I know there's been a lot of frustrating delay, but 
> surely would have been better to link in kollectives box (ie go live) 
> when the template had been operational with the links created, 
> meetings held, welcome message and info prepared etc etc


Well truth if you took that approach it would end up in chicken and the 
egg stalemate. The template only becomes operational when it is created 
as a topic on live site, and this then means it is linked from the 
kollektives box. Often a group is only spurred to develop a collective 
understanding of itself when it has real task on a real live project to 
get it's teeth into. Hence me being bold and making creating tick box 
and page going live. I did give warning and no one blocked. But anyone 
can still block? Are you or anyone else wishing to  blocking? Does 
anyone wish to formalise a new uk imc process? We could change topic 
directory to like did with Bayer GM one and so pages not linked to, but 
selections remain in db. That is an option.

But the thing is IMCUK have known imc south coast was coming since they 
turned up at IMCUK irc meeting on March 20th 2004
http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/imc-uk-southcoast/2004-March/000072.html
and we would work with them to give them a sub page on imcuk, and imc 
south coast have been waiting on 'us' for ages:
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-southcoast/2004-November/1115-4o.html

If we had not created a formal new imcuk  process for them to go through 
by now, or engaged with them to make requests of them before site went 
live, then I think it need for site to go live to bring up any issues 
and get them resolved.

I am open to ways forward as regards concerns but I have no regrets 
about making site live now to get whole thing rolling with South Coast 
Indymedia.

It is over to them to go for it.

cheers,

Space Bunny

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