[Imc-uk-features] Climate Camp features?

[yossarian]

jagmad at riseup.net wrote:
> On Tue, August 21, 2007 5:03 am, yossarian wrote:
>   
>> During large actions, the 24-hour rule does not apply.  This has been
>> the case for the last seven years, it's not a question of "certain people",
>> just how things are done.  If you check the features list for past
>> actions, you'll see that this has always been the case.
>>
>>     
> Thanks. I wasn't aware of this. How is it decided that an action is large
> enough not to involve the 24 hour rule?
>   

It basically turns out to be a question of whether people want to do
detailed features work during the action, really.  If something's going
on that a bunch of people want to report on in real-time, and it doesn't
contravene the editorial policy, the 24-hour rule usually gets waived.


>>> Why weren't some 15 or more neglected videos of the event not linked
>>> from those features?
>>>
>>>       
>> I don't know, but if you collect the URLs of the videos and post them to
>> the list they'll probably be linked.  It is possible that the people doing
>> the features were hit with information overload and missed linking them.
>> If the info gets fed to the feature writers in a nice format then
>> anything that was missed will get added.
>>
>>     
> Assuming the feature writers are known when there is no 24 hour rule. I
> haven't a clue who did the features.
>   

It doesn't really matter who the people are, emailing the features list
or showing up in IRC chat during the action are two ways of two ways of
communicating with the features team in cases like this.


> At the beginning, when the Camp was first occupied, two video links
> appeared and then disappeared. Following that there were no video links
> for a while and then brand new ones started to appear towards the end of
> the event. In between several videos were missed but were picked up by
> someone and sent to YouTube. Surely the people doing the features must
> have seen them promoted on the newswire?
>   

I don't know in detail what happened, I know that I added a video to a
feature at some point before I got pulled away from features work mid-week.


> Talking of the YouTube presentation this would seem to be a good model to
> follow, with videos gathered together in one place instead of being
> scattered around.
>   

Yeah, that would be nice.  I'd like to work on some kind of video
application that could sit alongside the regular UK site, I don't think
we've been keeping up with video site developments very well at all.


>>> An unknown individual
>>> http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/08/378596.html
>>> took it upon themselves to collect those videos together and post them
>>> on YouTube, which normally would be frowned upon, but in this particular
>>> case it seems they have done contributing videographers and their
>>> audience a considerable service.
>>>
>>> Why wasn't the ticker converted to a more mobile friendly version
>>> following my comments?
>>>
>>>       
>> I asked about the ticker page in IRC at some point, if I remember
>> correctly I think Ben said that the ticker showed up fine in iMobile.
>>
>>     
> Indeed it did but in the features there is the non mobile version, still
> with its left hand column, which is not via iMobile.
>   

So, bookmark the ticker, no? And email the features list to ask for a
link to the iMobile ticker view from the feature?


>>> It does seem that both videographers and mobile users do not rate very
>>> highly on IMCUK, for reasons which still elude me. Concerning the
>>> former, they often risk arrest at public events in order to provide
>>> their contributions and I think this should be taken into account when
>>> treating their work so dismissively.
>>>
>>> Doug.
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> We have a shortage of developers doing coding work at the moment,
>> personally I'd like to improve our video capabilities because I think the
>> site is a disaster from the video standpoint.
>>
>>     
> We seem to agree on that but isn't this really due to a general lack of
> interest in video among the collective?
>   


I don't think so, the problem is that building even a simple
YouTube-style site is a fairly complex undertaking involving a few
hundred hours of work and a lot of technical knowledge.


>>  The work that Ben has done
>> on mobile stuff has been pretty good though, I think, and youv'e been
>> doing some stuff too, no?
>>
>> Yoss
>>
>>     
> The work that Ben has done is excellent but what happened to the MMS link
> to the Newswire? Things we moving forward nicely and then suddenly stopped
> without any explanation.
>   

Learn Perl.  Buy us more servers. :)

> Yes I have been interested in mobile access and have used it to and from
> the newswire but most people still seem to prefer voice, which is fine
> when there is someone actually on the other end ready and willing to relay
> the information. Though a voice call I made from the Climate Camp cost me
> an astonishing £2, while 3g access to the imobile ticker came out at less
> than 15p. If I send text to a newswire publish form it seldom costs more
> than 50p.
>
> What is happening with your calender? I am not sure how much longer I will
> be around to moderate the existing one.

The new calendar has been running for quite a while now at
http://events.indymedia.org.uk - I just need to find somebody to fix the
styling, which I don't know how to do, and I need to either temporarily
remove the video upload capabilities or fix the conversion server
process which is a little messed up right now, and I haven't put the
time into doing it.