[Imc-uk-features] feature proposal: A Taste Of Things To Come

[jagmad at riseup.net]

Looking at just one of your sources, the Hadley Centre, it states:

"When we use the Hadley Centre climate model to look at the response of
the N Atlantic ocean circulation to future man-made emissions, shown in
the above image, we see that reductions of about 20% by 2100 are
predicted, rather than a complete shutdown. Other good climate models see
greater or lesser reductions, but none produces a shutdown over the next
100 years.

The Hadley Centre model has also been used to investigate the impact on
climate of a hypothetical shut-down of the THC. It predicts that the whole
of the northern hemisphere would be cooled, especially the north Atlantic;
the UK might see a cooling of 3–5 °C. Daily minimum temperatures in
central England in winter could plunge by 10 or 20 °C, and this would
likely have a bigger effect on UK society than global warming. However, as
was pointed out above, this is a 'what-if' scenario and not a prediction."

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/faqs/2.html#q2.15

Doug.

On Sun, July 1, 2007 3:47 am, earth aid wrote:
> To the People of the World,
> Russian scientists measuring the Gulf Stream claimed in 2006 that it had
> slowed by 30% and it would stop completely within six years, bringing
> Siberian temperatures to Britain and Europe overnight.
> The Met Hadley Centre confirmed this about six months later as reported on
> the BBC Horizon programme. Trillions of gallons of fresh water are
> pouring into the Atlantic off the coast of Greenland every day, reducing
> the salinity of the Gulf Stream slowing it down, so this process is
> irreversible. This is not a cycle but is the direct result of global
> warming melting the Greenland ice shelf which is rapidly sliding into the
> ocean as water from the surface sinks down and lubricates the base. This
> has not been reported as hot news in any mainstream papers yet, but it is
> is a time bomb waiting to go off and Indymedia would be a good place to
> start. The "eco warriors" are planning massive opposition to the Olympics
> along with local residents in Hackney and Stratford. However the priority
> right now is to defend Sipson village which has been earmarked for
> demolition for the third runway at Heathrow. The entire Environmental
> Movement worldwide is gearing up for what could be the
> biggest eco protest campaign in history, starting with the Camp for
> Climate Action from 14 to 21 August near Heathrow Airport, and carrying
> on with an Earth Fair Consumer Revolt and a permanent camp for peace and
> the environment. These ideas have been seriously discussed for ten years
> and the planning is now in progress. That is the relationship between the
> story about the present flooding and the Movement. There are extreme
> weather events happening all over the world right now. Worldwide drought
> especially in Australia, America and Brazil. The rainforest is dying and
> will never recover. Island nations are disappearing, Bangladesh is
> flooding, the Inuit eskimos' homeland is melting, and Climate Indymedia
> says the worst predictions about global warming will come true within
> five years, and not in 100 years. Dr James Hansen of NASA says the Earth
> is in "imminent peril". A secret report from the Pentagon in 2004 leaked
> to the Observer newspaper warned the White House that worldwide flooding
> would start in 2007 and global warming posed a massive security risk to
> the United States. The human race faces extinction this century according
> to Professor Peter Barret, Director of the Antarctic Research Centre in
> New Zealand. In my opinion Indymedia should be taking global warming and
> climate change far more seriously than it has so far. There is no debate
> necessary any more, it is time for direct action again. (You can quote me
> on every word of this, but bear in mind that the agreed spokespeople for
> the children of the eco warriors are Magic Dave and Angel who can be
> contacted directly at any time. The worldwide media campaign is about to
> begin and it should logically start with Indymedia UK.) Ignorance is not
> bliss, goodbye cruel world, Jubal Harshaw
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "jagmad at riseup.net" <jagmad at riseup.net>
> To: Middle column features for Indymedia UK
> <imc-uk-features at lists.indymedia.org>
> Sent: Sunday, 1 July, 2007 8:46:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Imc-uk-features] feature proposal: A Taste Of Things To Come
>
>
> Whew! I have nothing against the feature in principle but lets not get
> carried away. Check your timescales. Where is the evidence that the Gulf
> Stream will stop a mere 5 years from now and will cause minus 40 degrees?
> How long has it been going and it is probably cyclical anyway? So we had
> similar floods just 50 years ago? So what? 'Since records began' is
> slightly more convincing but still by no means conclusive when considered
> on a realistic timescale. The last GLOBAL ice age was about 10,000 years
> ago, attributable to Milankovitch Cycles, and the next one could occur as
>  much as 50,000 years from now. The reality is that extreme events
> considered in the UK alone are a poor indicator of GLOBAL warming. All
> you can say is that any freak weather here is likely to become more
> frequent and this is what it is going to be like when it happens, only
> worse. So, cut out the timescales bit and everything should be fine.
> Doug.
>
>
> On Sat, June 30, 2007 6:42 pm, earth aid wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> In my opinion the story is factual and possibly shows a turning point in
> the way the mainstream media is dealing with climate change. Britain is
> about to suffer severe consequences of global warming like heatwaves with
> temperatures as high as 40 degrees, and the Gulf Stream will stop about
> 2012 bringing a new ice age with minus 40 degrees. If you want the
> movement related angle Channel Four is desperate for a behind the scenes
> exclusive on the Camp for Climate Action and the groups that will be
> there and what they stand for, and this is likely to be agreed for
> broadcast about a week or two after the Live Earth concerts. The Climate
> Camp networking group have been asked to provide someone to be
> interviewed on behalf of the Camp itself, and Rising Tide, Earth First,
> Plane Stupid, the Campaign Against Climate Change etc will be invited to
> take part as well. Magic Dave will probably be speaking on behalf of
> Peace not War and the Creative Forum and Angel and Sunshine will
> represent the Childrens' Revolution group. You can talk to Magic Dave
> directly on 07986465552 and Angel on 07862100817 any time if you want
> quotes and you can quote me as well if you like. There will be a series
> of stories related to the Climate Camp going worldwide soon and they will
> all start on Indymedia UK if you want them to. (I am acting on behalf of
> a small tribe of independent eco warriors and their friends.) Cheers,
> Jubal Harshaw,
> THE EARTH AID ENVIRONMENTAL CAMPAIGN
>
>
> Original Message ----
> From: startx startx at plentyfact.org  To:
> imc-uk-features at lists.indymedia.org Sent: Sunday, 1 July, 2007 2:43:58 AM
> On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 00:39:04 +0100
> WietsE <wietse at indymedia.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hiya,
> I'd like to propose this feature about the recent floods and climate
> change to the UK, Notts and Sheffield site as well as the climate chaos
> topic. https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Local/NottsFeaturePage2
> Cheers, Wietse
>
>
> hi everybody. a quick response as its late but i have serious objections
> against this feature: not the climate change is not an important issue,
> but i cannot see any movement related issues the the feature as it is.
> the feature is almost only referring to very suspicious sources as
> tabloid press, stupid politicians, and lots of links to mainstream media
> as the star and bbc. Even the tabloids are linking the storms to climate
> change. The Mirror reported that "Flood damage is becoming more common
> because of  global warming" while warning that insurance companies will
> increasingly refuse to insure homes built on flood plains. well, some
> tabloiad reported that "the sun will explode soon" or that the end of the
> world is near (thats a tabloid issue once a year at least). if you want
> to convince people that climate change is a serious issue, better dont
> quote such sources (former) Prime Minister, Tony Blair said that he
> thought the floods were related to such major global issues in his joint
> press conference with Arnold Schwarzenegger. While the met office warns
> of further storms to come during the next week, uuh, i wouldnt believe
> blair or schwarzenegger even if they say the earth is ball-shaped. Sir
> David King warned that in the long-term, as Greenland ice disappeared,
> rising sea levels would wipe out Britain's coastal town and cities. "The
> message that climate change is the biggest change our civilisation has
> ever had to face up to is getting out there. sorry again, it might be
> somehow true, but britain will probably one of the last countries in the
> world suffering under climate change, before that happens, millions of
> poeple will be dead in asia and other countries of the global south.
> there might be some truth in what he says, but well startx. Indymedia
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