[Imc-uk-features] inaccurate, speculative comment,no original grassroots news content

[wy911 goowy]

Hi Ben,
I would point out that I, and the West Yorkshire Truth Campaign, are activists out there doing things
There's no point in being an activist on the basis of acceptance of a single ideology or a historic interpretation of the world. Thereby you get trapped into endless fruitless conflict situations, which are simply part of the slavery mechanism.
I'm not some right-wing nut out to push fruitcake solutions, but in these times of globalism with the huge Union decidedly-undemocratic conglommerate states coming to the fore, we need to be very careful about the staged events being orchestrated to achieve the ruling class objectives.
It is very necessary, imo, for activists to subject themselves to occasional speculative rants. Without speculation history, science and human knowledge stagnates. Activists need some mental stimulation, and there is no reason why indymedia shouldn't  platform hypotheses about what is occurring. UK IM sometimes looks to me like it's getting very bogged down in a number of discrete established causes which demand discrete conventional established responses.
Stop this, stop that, no to etc etc seems to end with more and more of whatever is opposed. Fundamental insight into the real mechanism by which the global fascism is rapidly being evolved is our only hope of stopping the process, which promises the death of millions and the rounding up of millions more.
We have to undermine the bases on which this faked up conflicting world is based on, if we are to have any hope of dismantling this vile system, and yes, people have to wake up
Otherwise it's just more and more "la lutta continua" all the way to hell
BTW I can understand your concerns that activist news can be pushed off the front page by the more speculative stuff more quickly, but please make your decisions wisely. 
That Glasgow flubs article had some good commentary which is now hidden, mistakenly, imo
Comradely regards
Paul
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From: Ben[mailto:ben at riseup.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2007 10:41 AM -07:00
To: imc-uk-features at lists.indymedia.org
Subject: [Imc-uk-features] inaccurate, speculative comment,no original grassroots news content

> I'm still of the understanding that we work as a collective, and 
that we aim to
> reach on decisions. Unaccountable, non-transparent actions don't 
fit well into that model.

What decision is unaccountable.? It's here on the list and I've said 
I go ahead an unhide it if you think inaccurate speculation has a 
place on the newswire.

> It was made clear on the thread that the matter had been raised in 
IRC and that
> no-one had come forward and favoured hiding it

What thread? I have no idea what you are talking about and as people 
have pointed out to me in the past, stuff discussed on IRC doesn't 
really count as transparent unless copied to the list.

> I am therefore unhiding it until a consensus is reached - it isn't 
just about
> one post - there is clearly a clash of political viewpoints behind 
it, and
> these need to sorted out so that we can adopt a consensed upon, 
consistent
> approach to moderating......

Well, just a thought but we could always stick to the agreed 
guidelines. Clash of political viewpoints? I simply thought indymedia 
was a site for grassroots news reporting generated from within a 
movement of people engaged in the struggles being reported - the 
journal of the movement etc rather than a discussion forum where 
people comment and speculate about stories they've read in the 
mainstream media. I'll bet a significant sum of money that the author 
of the post hidden has no personal involvement with the events he 
referred to and got all his 'info' from the mainstream media. That is 
not indymedia and if it is I really don't know why we are bothering.

> It would be helpful if people did express their views on how we 
deal with this
> post.

Indeed

Ben

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