[Imc-uk-features] hidden article 372 403

[mish]

The guidelines should not be that rigid, so I would make the edit
required ('stupid' seems fine to me), and send an email to Guido saying
the edit you've made, and asking him to get back in touch if he objects.

So we make the change (in the belief that it will be acceptable to the
poster of the article) and then ask forgiveness after.  Rather than ask
permission and hide in the meantime.

By doing it and asking forgiveness, we keep a good article on the
newswire, we remove the discriminatory word, and we give guido the
opportunity to object and have a debate about it later.  If we end up
having a debate then we all learn from it for next time.

mish

On Mon, 2007-06-04 at 18:03 +0100, Genny wrote:
> I would be happy to support this post going up again with the word 
> 'retard' replaced by 'fuckwit' or 'stupid' I guess, but I am not at all 
> happy that it should be put back up with a phrase which implies that 
> people with learning disabilities would behave in this manner - it's 
> clearly discriminatory, even if not intentionally so.  If changing one 
> word without Guido's agreement is not acceptable, then I can't see any 
> option but to hide it.  Sorry.
> 
> Genny
> 
> mini mouse wrote:
> > I doubt Guy is going to be too happy about all this, being in the 
> > middle of flying masonry and all that. I think this is a case where 
> > we should regard the guidelines as just that - not hard and fast 
> > rules to be strictly enforced as a matter of fact.
> > 
> > I feel this should be up again immediately, and if anyone wants to 
> > take Guy to task over his vocabulary it should be done when there is 
> > rather less pressure on him.
> > 
> > mm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > At 17:44 +0100 4/6/07, Genny wrote:
> >> Hi Guido
> >>
> >> I read your indymedia article 372403 this morning - great stuff! - but
> >> was concerned at the use of the word 'retard' (see below).
> >>
> >> As a new admin I didn't know what to do, but I didn't want it left with
> >> a clearly discriminatory phrase in the report, so I changed retard to
> >> sadist and sent a query to the features list about whether this was the
> >> right action.
> >>
> >> There's been some discussion today on the list.  Someone suggested
> >> 'stupid' would be a better replacement.  Ben has changed the word back
> >> to retard because he didn't feel it was right to mess around with
> >> someone else's work - it should be hidden or left or your agreement
> >> asked for.  I think that strictly this is correct, but because it was a
> >> great report I really didn't want to hide it.  However, I don't think it
> >> can be left as it is, so I have just now hidden it and I'm writing to
> >> ask your agreement for a word-change so it can go back up.
> >>
> >> Perhaps you can reply to imc-features so this can be sorted asap.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Genny
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Internal comments from admin:
> >>
> >> ad_nauseam promoted
> >>
> >> I was going to hide this for discrimination: "The cop in question is
> >> wearing a riot helmet with a ski mask underneath so his face is not
> >> visible anyway. Either he is just looking for someone else to pick on,
> >> or he is a complete retard" implies that people with learning
> >> disabilities would generally behave like this.  But it's a great report
> >> otherwise, so for now I've just changed "retard" into "sadist", although
> >> it now sort of says: he's a sadist or he's a sadist!  Couldn't think of
> >> anything else to do.  Should I have hidden the post?  Is it acceptable
> >> to alter other people's work? Genny
> >>
> >> ben - changed it back. either it should be hidden or left alond. or ask
> >> guy to change his article himself.
> >> 2007-06-04 17:28 genny hide
> >>
> >> I'm unhappy that this is now on the site with the word 'retard' again,
> >> so I'm hiding it temporarily and will email guido who I hope will agree
> >> a rewording.  Genny
> >>
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