[IMC-UK-Features] Feature proposal: HLS Exposed - Again! SHAC To Shakedown Financial Investors In The City

[Animal Rep]

If someone could use http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2009/02/421232.jpg as the 'main pic' that would be great, I think it works best as a thumbnail. Could all four pictures still be included in the article though if possible, it would be appropriate with the investigation and all I imagine. Thanks again to all who help. AR



From: animalrep at hotmail.co.ukTo: imc-uk-features at lists.indymedia.orgDate: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:37:01 +0000Subject: [IMC-UK-Features] Feature proposal: HLS Exposed - Again! SHAC To Shakedown Financial Investors In The City

Same link - https://we.riseup.net/imc-uk/shac-to-shakedown-financial-investors-in-the-city For the same topics as before; SHAC, Animal Liberation & Health. As startpage special if possible for a day or so? Then as topic specials until the event if thats ok, and maybe again on the front page (a few days before the event) if this is agreed to be acceptable by Indymedia admins. Hope that makes sense, I realise its probably rare or unknown for articles to be startpage twice, but I think it makes sense as the article is effectively two headlines?? Garcon du Monde: "i'm afraid that i'm still not happy with this article - or, in fact, many of the shac articles." If you had a problem with previous articles, you should of raised them when they were proposed. Doing so now is only provocative to the issue at hand - this article. Garcon du Monde: "thus, while i would prefer using different terms from "vivisectors" or "vivisection", i think it would be more balanced if there was mention of the alternative phrasing, "animal experimentation"." I could always use animal research to reference vivisection, but it would be only further desensitize the nature of the issue. You could always call warmongers, or arms dealers 'weapons manufactors', but it only has the same effect, strange how that isn't an issue though. I don't mind using desensitized terms, but I do prefere including the terms that reference the subject how it is. Rape is commonly referenced as sexual assault, but I think its unfair to purely use the term. I put in "animal experimentation" just to make you happy though. Garcon du Monde:  "what was overlooked, though, was that all the other links in the article were either reports on indymedia or links to a single website: www.shac.net - and it was to this which i was referring." I'm not sure why as many articles have entirely indymedia links, or a single campaign and indy links.  Garcon du Monde: "the "scientific facts" presented by shac [3] are essentially quoted in isolation, meaning that it is very hard to interpret them and to what extent they are true. the only links to any scientific references are provided on the "scientific intro" page [4] and date from 1989, 1978 and 1998 respectively. Incidentally, the last (from 1998) most likely references an articles in the JAMA edition published on the 15 april 1998 (the shac site states 14/4/98) which looked at adverse drug reactions in humans [5] - and no mention at all about anything related to animal experimentation." Most facts are presented in isolotion, however I understand your concern and have removed the link, but not the claim, as within the documentary this is explained. I'm not entirely sure which reference you are quoting, but its quite obvious that the reference to human trials with adverse drug reactions would be following animal testing, this is why it would be relevant, and another source (seperate from the pro-vivisection JAMA publication) would show this, as per usual. If there isn't the mention of micro-dosing prior to the drug, which is entirely relevant to the full-dosage trial failers, then it would of been mentioned as the preminilary studies. Keeping the related animal studies out of the picture is the norm, as they are deemed "irrelevant" to the human studies, only necessary prior to them to gain a defence lawsuit. Garcon du Monde:  "moreover, this is not even an article about something that has happened: it is a glorified advertisement for a forth-coming demonstration." Something hasn't happened? The state tried to shut down SHAC by imprisoning seven individuals for 50 years and they failed - miserably. The march and protest clearly shows this, especially when the police have had to allow it to happen. Secondly, didn't the Carnival Against The Arms Trade and Shut ITT articles [1] that promoted events also fall into the category or promoting a forth-coming demonstration? I was glad to see the glorified advert myself. However, despite this being a relevant issue, its now not relevant to the article. Garcon du Monde: "indymedia has in the past been very clear that we do not promote a particular political ideology... i think we should stick with this methodology." As Chris said, Indymedia promotes a variety of ideologies. To name a few; anti-war, anti-racism, anti-militarism, no borders (on the migrantion page for example), ocean defence and social struggles, there are even topic pages for the ideologies. That's why we're all here I thought? [1] http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/actions/2008/edo/  



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