[IMC-UK-Features] Feature proposal: HLS Exposed - Again! SHAC To Shakedown Financial Investors In The City

Mon Feb 9 16:49:42 PST 2009

> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:38:15 -0800> From: opprobrium at riseup.net> To: imc-uk-features at lists.indymedia.org> Subject: Re: [IMC-UK-Features] Feature proposal: HLS Exposed - Again! SHAC To Shakedown Financial Investors In The City> > Hey!> > > Is this going up then or not? I'm a bit confused as to this articles> > status, its also getting older by the day.> > Aren't we all?!> > I think the features process (like so many of Indymedia's processes) works> fine as long as we're all in agreement, but becomes a lot messier as soon> as anybody had any objections. Emails wing backwards and forwards and> people get increasingly confused. It's unfortunate that your feature> proposal got caught up in this. (It would be a shame if we put off> somebody so eager to get involved.)> > Given the prevailing confusion, I'm going to suggest that we return to the> ever reliable passive consensus: Unless anybody objects by tomorrow> evening (not necessarily 24 hours as this has already been discussed) my> proposal is it goes up as a feature in the current form. If anybody does> object, of course, we're back in limbo.> > Love, peace and stuff,> Opprobrium
I'm don't understand why waiting 24 hours (from now) is necessary, when you take away the perceived confusion.

I'll break simplify what happened for easier reading* and better luck next time:

1st: It was initially objected by gdm, when it was an article highlighting the upcoming march, and included a link to a list of unverified facts that has now been removed (I'll verify them one day, but its not relevant right now).
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2009-February/0201-gk.html
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2009-February/0205-lg.html

5th: It was then accepted by gdm on the basis of its content, because it was then a article about HLS being exposed and the upcoming event, but questioned over its ideological viewpoint, such as advocating against all dominance over non-human animals, i.e. "total animal liberation", or "total liberation".
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2009-February/0205-2f.html

6th: I then explained that Indymedia's mission statement infact rejects all dominance, not just human-based dominance, regardless of whether its admins and volunteers do also. This went unopposed;
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2009-February/0206-m1.html

6th: It was then objected again by Richard Braude, predominantly on the basis of middle column usuage/space for animal liberation articles, wishing to prioritise other articles, but also because of the number of topic articles in general.
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2009-February/0206-w2.html

6th: It was then explained that there is never a valid argument about not having a feature based on front page space, and absolutely not space based on playing one campaign's value off against another, again unopposed;
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2009-February/0206-ny.html
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2009-February/0206-bq.html

9th: Its now two days later after issues have been settled and the article still isn't online, understandably because of the confusion, which if I had probably summed up a day or two ago would of helped things.

*I excluded the debate about whether articles solely promoting forthcoming articles should be accepted, which is not going to be based on individual articles/campaigns "importance", but based on an agreement either way on the concept, or perhaps an agreement on what is a "large" forthcoming event, which may not only be unknown as everything is an estimate, but also differs between campaigns. Good luck with that one! I personally think they just should be up. Carmel-Agrexo, EDO, Climate Camp, SHAC, Stop Sequani, G8, COP15, DSEi, the more the merrier, as has been with indymedia so far (perhaps unconsciously for some). 

Lets face it though, this drained me quite a bit so I didn't really have the effort for it then, similar to anyone else with a busy lifestyle. Just thought I'd remind others as Opprobrium did, it can be very offputting, especially when the "news" is no longer that new. This particularly annoys me if I'm honest, rather than anyone opposing the article, which is quickly retified after another 24 hours (I'm referring to the 48 hours standstill).Whilst understanding the volunteering principles of indymedia, there were people willing to upload (I thought), so I was suprised this wasn't applied when possible. Unlike the uk shac 7 and other articles that have been swiftly uploaded, most of the time.

On the basis that its two days late (effectively), I'm not really bothered about waiting another 24 hours, I've infact warmed to the latest newswire links included. Maybe a thanks to dgm and Richard B for that, along with further understanding of how indymedia works for next.

On the other hands, anyone thinking I might fade away from IMC, not to worry. It won't be until my death or imprisonment for me to end volunteering (or at least until others arrive who can replace me). 

Finally I would just like to say one thing: I am an animal liberationist, not a speciesist non-human liberationists. This means I support struggles for human & non-human animals, as much as each other, unlike some who are the latter, but claim to be animal liberationists. Just thought I'd let people know to save any misconceptions.
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