[IMC-UK-Features] Feature proposal: HLS Exposed - Again! SHAC To Shakedown Financial Investors In The City

[Mike D]

Hi there,

I am in favour of this going up ASAP now that gdm's concerns have
been addressed.

In solidarity,

Mike

>
>> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:38:15 -0800> From: opprobrium at riseup.net>
>> To: imc-uk-features at lists.indymedia.org> Subject: Re:
>> [IMC-UK-Features] Feature proposal: HLS Exposed - Again! SHAC To
>> Shakedown Financial Investors In The City> > Hey!> > > Is this
>> going up then or not? I'm a bit confused as to this articles> >
>> status, its also getting older by the day.> > Aren't we all?!> > I
>> think the features process (like so many of Indymedia's processes)
>> works> fine as long as we're all in agreement, but becomes a lot
>> messier as soon> as anybody had any objections. Emails wing
>> backwards and forwards and> people get increasingly confused. It's
>> unfortunate that your feature> proposal got caught up in this. (It
>> would be a shame if we put off> somebody so eager to get
>> involved.)> > Given the prevailing confusion, I'm going to suggest
>> that we return to the> ever reliable passive consensus: Unless
>> anybody objects by tomorrow> evening (not necessarily 24 hours as
>> this has already been discussed) my> proposal is it goes up as a
>> feature in the current form. If anybody does> object, of course,
>> we're back in limbo.> > Love, peace and stuff,> Opprobrium
> I'm don't understand why waiting 24 hours (from now) is necessary,
> when you take away the perceived confusion.
>
> I'll break simplify what happened for easier reading* and better
> luck next time:
>
> 1st: It was initially objected by gdm, when it was an article
> highlighting the upcoming march, and included a link to a list of
> unverified facts that has now been removed (I'll verify them one
> day, but its not relevant right now).
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2009-February/0201-gk.html
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2009-February/0205-lg.html
>
> 5th: It was then accepted by gdm on the basis of its content,
> because it was then a article about HLS being exposed and the
> upcoming event, but questioned over its ideological viewpoint, such
> as advocating against all dominance over non-human animals, i.e.
> "total animal liberation", or "total liberation".
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2009-February/0205-2f.html
>
> 6th: I then explained that Indymedia's mission statement infact
> rejects all dominance, not just human-based dominance, regardless of
> whether its admins and volunteers do also. This went unopposed;
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2009-February/0206-m1.html
>
> 6th: It was then objected again by Richard Braude, predominantly on
> the basis of middle column usuage/space for animal liberation
> articles, wishing to prioritise other articles, but also because of
> the number of topic articles in general.
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2009-February/0206-w2.html
>
> 6th: It was then explained that there is never a valid argument
> about not having a feature based on front page space, and absolutely
> not space based on playing one campaign's value off against another,
> again unopposed;
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2009-February/0206-ny.html
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-features/2009-February/0206-bq.html
>
> 9th: Its now two days later after issues have been settled and the
> article still isn't online, understandably because of the confusion,
> which if I had probably summed up a day or two ago would of helped
> things.
>
> *I excluded the debate about whether articles solely promoting
> forthcoming articles should be accepted, which is not going to be
> based on individual articles/campaigns "importance", but based on an
> agreement either way on the concept, or perhaps an agreement on what
> is a "large" forthcoming event, which may not only be unknown as
> everything is an estimate, but also differs between campaigns. Good
> luck with that one! I personally think they just should be up.
> Carmel-Agrexo, EDO, Climate Camp, SHAC, Stop Sequani, G8, COP15,
> DSEi, the more the merrier, as has been with indymedia so far
> (perhaps unconsciously for some).
>
>
>
>
> Lets face it though, this drained me quite a bit so I didn't really
> have the effort for it then, similar to anyone else with a busy
> lifestyle. Just thought I'd remind others as Opprobrium did, it can
> be very offputting, especially when the "news" is no longer that
> new. This particularly annoys me if I'm honest, rather than anyone
> opposing the article, which is quickly retified after another 24
> hours (I'm referring to the 48 hours standstill).Whilst
> understanding the volunteering principles of indymedia, there were
> people willing to upload (I thought), so I was suprised this wasn't
> applied when possible. Unlike the uk shac 7 and other articles that
> have been swiftly uploaded, most of the time.
>
> On the basis that its two days late (effectively), I'm not really
> bothered about waiting another 24 hours, I've infact warmed to the
> latest newswire links included. Maybe a thanks to dgm and Richard B
> for that, along with further understanding of how indymedia works
> for next.
>
> On the other hands, anyone thinking I might fade away from IMC, not
> to worry. It won't be until my death or imprisonment for me to end
> volunteering (or at least until others arrive who can replace me).
>
> Finally I would just like to say one thing: I am an animal
> liberationist, not a speciesist non-human liberationists. This means
> I support struggles for human & non-human animals, as much as each
> other, unlike some who are the latter, but claim to be animal
> liberationists. Just thought I'd let people know to save any
> misconceptions.
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