[IMC-UK-Features] [imc-uk-moderation] Monkeywrenching debate

[Anti-speciesist]

Thank you for bringing the examples to the attention to the list.

Re:  I can follow the logic of the argument that's being put forward, but I
Re:  can't quite get how talking about monkeywrenches is dissing monkeys.

Because it's stereotyping monkeys as being tools.

Re:  how do we decide if it is or it isn't? Who do we ask?

That's where the problem starts, thinking who do we ask. Do we ask black
people if a comment is racist towards black people, or women if a comment
is sexist towards women, etc, etc? I obviously don't have to answer that
question, as everyone knows it is fascist to think we have to ask
particular groups of individuals about discrimination. Everyone has the
ability to work this out on their own, if they just put their mind to it.

As for the examples below; now we're starting to think critically. I'll
add some more stereotypes to that list; gay features, pussy, girly,
twatish (as well as twat), to name a few obvious ones.

Indeed its a big subject, I'm glad it's (finally) being addressed.

-- 
Anti-speciesist / Shactivist
(formally Animal Rep)

Re:  And while we're at it, can we discuss these posts too, especially the
Re:  last one, which refers to m*nkeywrenches as well as including a comment
Re:  about rabbits' sexual appetites which Miffy and others might find
Re:  offensive?
Re:
Re:  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/11/413859.html
Re:  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/oxford/2008/02/391324.html
Re:  http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/06/374195.html?c=on#comments
Re:
Re:  If someone wants to write an article about the whole issue, then I guess
Re:  there's nothing to stop them, particularly if it can be tied in with
Re:  something current, but I'm afraid I'm finding it hard to take seriously.
Re:  I can follow the logic of the argument that's being put forward, but I
Re:  can't quite get how talking about monkeywrenches is dissing monkeys. And
Re:  how do we decide if it is or it isn't? Who do we ask? What about
Re:  blue-arsed flies; hangdog; lion heart; fish face; pigs; bitches;
Re:  parasites; leeches; vultures; bird-brained, flea-brained (or pea-brained
Re:  for that matter); busy bees; weasel words; trouser snake; dog's
Re:  bollocks; spineless (vertebratist); ear worm; lucky duck; scaredy cat;
Re:  boarish; bullish; sluggish; sheepish; crabby; fishy; catty; ratty;
Re:  mousy; lousy; slothful? And so on.
Re:
Re:  It's a big subject.
Re:
Re:  Genny
Re:
Re:
Re:  Anti-speciesist wrote:
Re: > Re:  Apart from the fact that imc is not a bulletin board for long
Re: > Re:  discussions - when i read the comments i was sure it was a piss
Re: > take!
Re: >
Re: > Not true, see this feature -
Re: > https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/birmingham/2008/02/392188.html
Re: >
Re: > I'm sure if somebody used the word nigger in a feature then comments
Re: > criticising the use of the term wouldn't be 'a piss take'. It's a bit
Re: > narrow minded to say this when a different 'potentially'
Re: > racist/speciesist
Re: > term is used.
Re: >
Re: > What's wrong with debate on NEWS of a term being criticised? Nothing as
Re: > you admit; it just clearly doesn't belong on the scuttling feature. Any
Re: > suggestions to where it should be apart from a seperate article, given
Re: > that we're not hiding the debate?
Re: >
Re: > Re:  If people want to have the discussion in the comments then fine -
Re: > but
Re: > Re:  please don't draw attention to it...
Re: >
Re: > Again, I refer you to the feature above where it was fully discussed
the
Re: > debate on whether statements were anti-semitic or not, this is the same
Re: > but based on whether a term is racist/speciesist, no different.
Re: >
Re: > I think your views are somewhat narrow minded. I was only proposing for
Re: > posts to be moved, not a full feature, as has been previously done. You
Re: > might not want to draw attention to it, but I think that's only because
Re: > its based on speciesism, as I'm sure you'd be ok with it if it wasn't.
Re: > Correct me if I'm wrong?
Re: >
Re: >
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