[Imc-uk-network] [PROPOSAL] [IMC-York] moving forward...

[GarconDuMonde]

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hia

Chris wrote:
> On Tue 27-Jun-2006 at 10:48:04PM +0100, GarconDuMonde
> wrote:
>> ekes wrote:
>>> This is a request for the domain york.indymedia.org.uk
>>> to use for the site http://yimc.iskra.net/
>> if it is a completely separate system/database, i'm not
>> sure that this is such a good idea.
> 
> Why not?

read on...

> To be honest if Ekes had just asked for the sub-domain to
> be set up in IRC I'd have just done it -- in this case I
> don't really see the need for an extensive process because
> it's a trusted IMC UK person helping get the site up, if
> it was a new group of people we would probably want to
> move a bit slower till we got to know them.

i might have complained ;-)

>> groups going through new-imc (on an international level)
>> are not allowed to use an indymedia.org domain name
>> until they've been through and completed the process,
>> i.e. been accepted into the network. until that point,
>> they need to use an alternate name. however, it should
>> be pointed out that groups *have* gone through new-imc
>> process without actually having a site at all, so it is
>> possibly better to focus on the group meeting criteria
>> rather than a functioning website.
>>
>> nb.  i'm not involved in new-imc so i may have
>> misinterpreted this.
> 
> But this doesn't apply here -- there is no New UK IMC
> process -- things are done on a far more ad-hoc basis
> here... when a sub-domain has been needed it's been
> created...
> 
>> i'd like there to be quite a bit of discussion about
>> this, as i think it is something new at both a local
>> (uk) and global level. i think that one weeks discussion
>> is probably insufficient and more time is probably
>> required.
> 
> I don't think it's something so new -- it's just setting
> up a sub-domain for an Indymedia project in the UK, and
> this is something that has been done is the past in a
> informal manner and I don't know if changing this way of
> working makese sense -- if we are going to have a big
> formal process before .org.uk sub-domains are set up then
> we might as well just used the global New IMC for that.

i disagree here. i think it is something new. let me explain why... when
previously we have pointed *.indymedia.org.uk at a new domain, it has always
been either:

a) a new site that is run by an existing collective who has been accepted into
the indymedia network, e.g. bristol (who've been through new-imc process on
their own) or the solidarity.indymedia.org.uk site that was set up by the united
kollectives (i.e. by all of us); or

b) a new group that has made use of the existing (i.e. mir) site which has a
shared database, thus ensuring that pornographic/racist/homophobic etc posts are
hidden - if not by the "new" collective, by the rest of the people who form the
united kollectives.

it was not clear from the original post that ekes made (and i'm still not
entirely sure) that ekes is that involved in this new collective.

i am also worried about doing something "because it's a trusted IMC UK person" -
i think that may be a fair enough reason if there is some immediate, tangible
benefit (for instance, we set up some voip stuff during the g8 last year, or the
history site that has been set up by yossarian and ionnek), but a trusted friend
who says that other people are ok.... we're getting a little too detached from
teh project, i think.

anyway, just some thoughts - i'm not trying to stop the new york collective
here, i'm trying to get us to think about our process and how we do stuff, cos
otherwise we'll end up in similar positions to, say, the westcountry site that
was never maintained.

- --

love and solidarity,

	--gdm

http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Main/GarconDuMonde

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