[Imc-uk-network] PROPOSAL: network meeting decision time

[maqui]

Hiya

On Monday, May 5, 2008, at 02:57  pm, Shiar wrote:

>
> On Wed, April 30, 2008 2:14 pm, ana wrote:
>> At the london meeting tonight we noted a lack of registrations [1]: 
>> only 5
>> people who are not from london, and 2 of them are provisional. We were
>> considering whether this could be actually seen as a network meeting
>> and/or worth having it at all.
>
> I see it's more 5 people now. Good :) Personally i won't be able to 
> make
> it cos i'll be out of the country. Sorry!

Oh, that's a pity /me think. Enjoy wherever you are going.
>
>> Therefore, we would like to propose to the network that this meeting 
>> will
>> _only_ take place if it has _full_ decision making powers, however 
>> many,
>> or however few people do make it to London.
>
> Although i trust the people going to take the right decisions, i don't
> understand how someone can propose that a meeting "has full decision
> making powers, however few people make it". It's not exactly what i
> understand from consensus-based decision-making and is not practically
> plausible. For example, if the people working on the new startpage 
> didn't
> make it, would the meeting still decided on that regardless of what 
> they
> think? If the key people involved with the anti-semitism or 9/11
> discussions are absent, would the meeting (with most attendees probably
> not that familiar with the debates) still take crucial decisions? I'm
> sorry but it doesn't make any sense to me.

Ok, maybe the wording the mail London sent out was a bit harsh and 
prone to misunderstanding. Basically, the few london peeps that can put 
some work into preparing this meeting are very busy right now (like 
everyone else i guess) and so we thought that it was only worthwhile 
the effort of organising it if it was going to be fully considered as 
network meeting, and not just a series of 'informal' chats or 
exchanges. And for us this means that the meeting would need to have 
decision powers - where things 'can be decided' if it needs to - so to 
make it worthwhile, both for those in london that have to put some work 
towards it and for those that have to make journeys from other places.

Now, obviously, the items for discussion (as listed in the wiki) will 
have to change depending on who turns up. As Shiar says it doesn't make 
any sense whatsoever to discuss the new IMC-UK front page if the two 
people from Notts that are working on it are not present. Nor it makes 
any sense either (imho) to discuss 911 and 'truth' related stuff if, 
for example, Chris and Guy are not present. The same goes for the 
'anitsemitism' stuff if
Shiar, Phunkee or Ftp are not attending, and so on.

The mail didn't mean that such issues would be addressed regardless of 
who's coming (please note, the London kollective has no interest 
whatsoever in becoming some sort of 'central committee'!) but that 
whatever discussions take place, in accordance of who are present and 
who are not, can lead to decisions if that needs to happen. My guess is 
that the agenda will be re-written depending on who's sitting around 
the first plenary session and what peeps want to talk about.

In other words, the London kollective, don't want to spend a weekend 
meeting up, so then, when the minutes are sent around, people can 
question the validity of those discussions/decisions due to lack of 
quorum.  If people are not ready to meet (or can't) that's fair enough, 
but we would really like to know in advance.

I won't be around the lists for some days now, so I can really follow 
this much until next week, but please let the peeps in London know 
whether we go ahead or not with this meeting.

Cheers
maqui

,



>
>> We do need a decision on this proposal real soon so the deadline for
>> objections is this coming Sunday the 4th of May.
>
> I know it's past the deadline now (and sorry i didn't have a chance to
> reply earlier) but as i said, i find this proposal a bit weird and not
> making any sense.
>
>
> ---
> Shiar
>
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