[Imc-uk-network] [Imc-uk-process] New aggregated UK Site

[gringo ben]

> Don't try to misrepresent what I said:
I said that you agree there is an implicit hierarchy, and you have said you do.

> That doesn't mean I was agreeing with you;

I never said that you did. I said you agree there is an implicit
hierarchy, and you did.

> Also I object to your use of the term "elite" to refer to the techs. It's offensive and divisive.

Fine, object, but I still feel that elite is accurate. Perhaps you see
it as offensive etc but only certain people can write code or have
access to install or impliment code - that is fact. Elite may be a
loaded term - but lots of people feel that you be the case.

> Nobody's "taking control" of anything in Mir Admin. The people who do
> the modding work are the people who can be bothered. The people who
> don't do it, don't do it because they can't be bothered, not because
> anyone's "taken control".

When people get of their arses to do admin, that is taking control, it
is not necessarily a bad thing. What is a bad thing is that people who
have in the past done admin have said they can no longer be bothered
due to the unsupportive environment they find on the lists etc.

> Are you saying that all the coders that didn't
> get around to writing it are "standing in the way"? How many Java coders
> do you think there are in IndyUK?

The people standing in the way are those who who for the last two
years have discouraged anyone else from sorting it out by repeating
the mantra that MIR is perfect for the job and that perhaps they'll
get round to it themselves. Setting up an agregation site using
anything other than MIR isn't rocket science - how comes it's taken so
long? And when it is done - how long will it take to get the imc uk
front page redirected to it? Time will tell.

> Quit stirring the shit, please. I'm sick to the back teeth of these lies and attacks on the collective.

Stop being so defensive. This isn't shit stiring. I was asked a
question and I replied. I normally wouldn't bother as I know how it
always turns out but I am keen that this move towards agregation moves
forward quickly. The shrinking IMC UK 'collective' gets increasingly
defensive about these things as more and more people give up in
dispair. Lets please do something to fix it before it is too late.

ben