[Imc-uk-process] Deadlines and Ultimatums

[Genny]

Hello

I was present at the Bradford meeting and it was explicitly stated there
that the agreement would not stand if group A (now Mayday collective)
were not able to complete a safe passage through new-imc process in
time. This was discussed more than once and statements were made by
members of London imc along the lines of 'we had better make sure we
help you get through new-imc so the fork can go ahead'. These statements
were made both before and after the fork was agreed - in other words, it
was agreed on this basis. As I understood it, this was not a case of
London saying they would somehow engineer our passage through new-imc
process, but that they would support us and help us get through as this
would be in everyone's interests in order for the fork to proceed. This
has not happened.

If the people who made these statements thought all along that the fork
could go ahead without group A getting through new-imc process, then the
meeting was deliberately misled. I would not have gone along with the
agreement on the basis that the fork would go ahead regardless and this
was NOT what was agreed.

If the minutes don't record precisely this point, then that's
unfortunate, but it doesn't change what was said and agreed in the
meeting. After spending  a lot of time to no good effect trying to
ensure that the minutes of the previous network meeting accurately
reflected what happened, I had neither the time, energy nor inclination
to do the same all over again with this meeting.

cheers

genny


Garcon du Monde wrote:
> hello,
>
> i'm writing this email as both an individual and an individual who was
> *not* present in bradford, at the last network meeting. this latter
> point, specifically, i think is relevant.
>
> it is relevant because my understanding of the bradford meeting and the
> agreements that were made there have been influenced only by the meeting
> minutes:
>
>  * http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-process/2010-December/1211-v5.html
>
> i note that not only were the minutes made public on the same day as the
> meeting, but that this was *only* done following agreement from *all
> parties* present at the meeting. see the "decision at 20:28" section
> right at the end.
>
> thus, my interpretation is that it is not possible for anyone to BLOCK
> or even to block any of the decisions made at that time. if there were
> to be any blocks, they should have been made by the people present at
> that meeting - and there were representatives from all collectives at
> that meeting. however, all present at that meeting agreed with the final
> minutes, and it is clearly stated that "Everything has to be done by the
> first of May, but should be done earlier." (decision 19:18) i would
> imagine this interpretation would be pretty similar to that of others
> who were also not at the meeting.
>
> solidarity,
>
> 	--gdm
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:25:24PM +0100, Mr. Demeanour wrote:
>   
>> [I originally sent this email to this list using the Mayday collective's
>> email address as the sender. It was bounced, which is unfortunate: the
>> only purpose of this list, at present, is for the Mayday Collective to
>> communicate with other UK collectives concerning the fork. Could a mod
>> please authorise Mayday Collective to post to this list unmoderated?
>> Thanks.]
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The Mayday Collective notes the various emails from nab [1], Bristol IMC
>> [2] and London IMC [3], and from Listwork [4].
>>
>> 1. We object to the closing down of lists that we are using for newswire
>> moderation. We BLOCK the closing of the uk-moderation and uk-features
>> lists on May 1. We suggest that closing the uk-process list on May 1
>> appears to be premature, since the agreement seems unlikely to be
>> completed by that date.
>>
>> 2. We are not willing to move to a temporary URL on May 1. We are
>> therefore blocking the proposal that DNS changes should be made that are
>> adverse to the UK/Mayday site, until such a time as our status as an IMC
>> has been properly resolved.
>>
>> -- 
>> Mayday Collective.
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