[Imc-uk-process] Indymedia is not a label
theinnercityhippy at riseup.net
Sat Apr 30 06:59:17 PDT 2011
I find it a little odd that the only people who seem to now think there was a precondition to the decision made are all part of the same group but hey.
It's pretty pointless discussing any of it with you. The minutes that we all agreed make no mention of preconditions. This is basically because that was never agreed. Everyone agreed not to oppose your new imc application and we have stuck to that. We could never have predicted that you would start publicly attacking the new imc working group and your own liaison, fail to answer questions asked of you there in an attempt to claim some kind of moral high ground, call the person asking those questions a 'prick' with a 'myopic vendetta' on publicly archived lists then try to circumvent the process altogether.
If we had put a precondition, which we didn't, we would be failing the global network by bludgeoning your application through anyway. As things stand at the moment, with the attitude you have shown towards other global imc volunteers, do you think that you would be a positive and healthy addition to the network? Take a step back and a deep breath and look at it objectively. All you need to do is show a little humility, ability to take fair criticism and an ability to work within a consensus model and you will pass on your own merit. You wouldn't need to be asking others to help you skirt around the process.
Step one is to stick to decisions that were made with your participation 5 months ago. There isn't any wriggle room in the decision, its not what we want either. We wanted to implement the decision taken in London that you guys torpedoed in exactly the same manner: disputing the wording of the minutes to suit your own purposes, saying that a proper consensus decision was not made despite your active participation in it at the time, then later saying that there is no longer consensus to implement the decision retroactively. Can you see the pattern here? How many times do you think you can do that and still have people want to try to work with you. Why do you think that every active affiliated collective in England no longer wishes to. That is a large pool of people who are volunteering their time to try to provide a useful service to activists in the UK who all consider that the damage you guys are causing is such that they no longer wish to be associated with you in any way.
Now I'm sure that your fingers will all now be twitching to send some kind of reply, pick out bits of this letter and try to provoke an argument that steps everything up a notch, but to save you some time i'll simply be deleting any email with your names at the top from now on. There is literally nothing more to discuss, we made a decision and we have all worked very hard to ensure we keep to our side of the bargain, which we have. I plan to spend the time that I could use to engage in pointless hostile email exchanges with you all doing radical media work in our community.
Tomorrow is an event we have been working on with a broad section of our community to celebrate international workers day or mayday. I'll be focusing on that.
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From: freethepeeps at riseup.net
Date: Sat, Apr 30, 2011 13:15
Subject: [Imc-uk-process] Indymedia is not a label
To: "JimDog" <theinnercityhippy at riseup.net>
Cc: <imc-uk-process at lists.indymedia.org>
> Just to clarify. Are you saying that a consensus decision was not made in
> bradford, in a meeting facilitated by seeds for change, to fork the
> project on may 1st.
No, I'm saying that the decision was based on the precondition that we
were to be a.indymedia.org and that was the basis on which consensus was
reached. It is clear from the Mayday statement that there is not consensus
to fork tomorrow despite your insistence that there is, because that
precondition has not been achieved.
The threats don't help either imo
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