[IMC-Video] live streaming
Sasha Costanza-Chock
schock at riseup.net
Fri Aug 18 00:38:15 PDT 2006
Using a cantenna greatly extends wireless range but it is line of sight
only. It's not an impossible scenario but it's not something you can
show up at an event and expect to just use a cantenna, find an open
access point within line of sight, connect your camera to your laptop to
the cantenna and be good to go ... it would require going to the
location before hand, locating the access point, testing the whole
setup, if you wanted to have any remotely reliable ability to tell
people you'd have a working stream at a given net address at a given day
and time.
adam wrote:
> nup, they are the best ;)
>
>
> ..on Fri, Aug 18, 2006 at 10:03:57AM +1000, and wrote:
>> A couple of good resource guides for streaming are
>>
>> http://www.streamingsuitcase.com/frame.html
>>
>> and
>>
>> http://www.flossmanuals.net/VLC/Introduction
>>
>> Have also cc'd here Adam who wrote them as he might be able to direct
>> you to further info.
>>
>> cheers.
>> And.
>>
>>
>> On 17/08/2006, at 5:33 AM, lotu5 wrote:
>>
>>> Sasha,
>>>
>>> you mentioned vlan and someone else suggested that to me at our
>>> hacklab
>>> last night also.
>>>
>>> We'll be getting together here sunday also in san diego or tijuana to
>>> work on setting up a working system to stream future events for La
>>> Otra
>>> Campana of the Zapatistas.
>>>
>>> take care,
>>>
>>> lotu5
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2006-08-17 at 22:24 +0700, Sasha Costanza-Chock wrote:
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I'll be coming back to LA from Vietnam this Sunday (the 20th). I'm
>>>> definitely interested in working on this, figuring out the
>>>> hardware and
>>>> software configuration we need, and publicizing the stream. We don't
>>>> have too much time though. The first thing, to make the live stream
>>>> possible, obviously we need broadband internet access from the
>>>> location
>>>> we want to send the signal from. Does anyone know if that is
>>>> possible?
>>>> Where will the korean struggle delegation protest? because if it's in
>>>> the streets of LA we need to do some quick work to get access,
>>>> specifically, there is a guy who has a satellite internet
>>>> connection in
>>>> a van, he brought it to the May 1st mobilizations but I have never
>>>> met
>>>> him face to face. Does anyone know who I'm talking about? We will
>>>> need
>>>> something like that if there is a march.
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise, we will have to just shoot video and upload quickly :)
>>>>
>>>> peace
>>>> sasha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> jo, dongwon wrote:
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>
>>>>> this is dongwon from seoul, s.korea. i'm a volunteer in Media
>>>>> Culture
>>>>> Action against neo-liberal globalization and FTA in particular
>>>>> recently(http://gomediaction.net/).
>>>>>
>>>>> i'm very interested in seeing there are discussions on live
>>>>> streaming
>>>>> here and there at the same time,
>>>>> so that i strongly feel it's about time our experiences for live
>>>>> streaming should be updated especially because we here have just
>>>>> used
>>>>> window media server + window media encoder + window media player.
>>>>> (only
>>>>> one platform! that's too bad!).
>>>>> At the site for live coverage, we often use a switcher connected
>>>>> with 3
>>>>> cameras, and a window for streaming(user's interface) has not only a
>>>>> player, but a list of last streamings(VOD), live comment etc.
>>>>> (you can
>>>>> see it by clicking the "video on air" at the right-middle corner of
>>>>> http://gomediaction.net <http://gomediaction.net/>).
>>>>> recently, we have done dual mode of streaming window from two
>>>>> venues, to
>>>>> show each other in different two venues, for example there were
>>>>> simultaneous candle light protests in Daechuri(where people's
>>>>> struggles
>>>>> have been against the expansion of US Forces camp) and in
>>>>> Gwanghwamoon(seoul) where supporters gathered.
>>>>> now we are trying to build up multi-channel streaming window. but it
>>>>> takes a while.
>>>>> me personally, i'm a kind of new user for this(nodongnet
>>>>> [labornet] has
>>>>> done it a lot), but i'm very enthusiastic over its potential for
>>>>> social
>>>>> movement. (since last year, i have worked with media techies from
>>>>> nodongnet to develop it.)
>>>>> As for the configuration we here experiment with for live streaming,
>>>>> it's nothing much to share, but it's under re-construction, i wish.
>>>>> so i really hope that we can collaborate internationally at some
>>>>> moments. How about this?:
>>>>>
>>>>> there will be about 100 korean struggles delegation to the U.S.
>>>>> (LA and
>>>>> mainly Seattle) to protest against 3rd round talk of korea-US FTA
>>>>> (Free
>>>>> trade Agreement) in 3rd - 9th of Sepmtember. I don't think media
>>>>> activist(s) can go together, especially who can deal with streaming
>>>>> stuffs. it's still under discussion to see if some of us could go...
>>>>> (but money and visa problems!)
>>>>> so i really wish that media activists in seoul and you indymedia
>>>>> activists in Seattle(, LA) could cover korean delegation's protests,
>>>>> workshops, performances etc. together.
>>>>> And what i'd like to suggest is to do some live streaming between
>>>>> Seattle(or LA) and Seoul at some particular events.
>>>>> I think this kind of practices is the best way to advance further.
>>>>>
>>>>> how do you think? i hope that we can make it!
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you.
>>>>> best, dongwon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> lotu5 wrote:
>>>>>> http://actlab.tv is a good p2p system that uses bittorrent for live
>>>>>> video streaming, but last time I checked the onl had a windows
>>>>>> client
>>>>>> for viewing. i met some folks working on it over the summer and
>>>>>> they're
>>>>>> really nice and from the language on the site they sound like
>>>>>> they're
>>>>>> interested in working with groups like indymedia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> maybe we should prod them for some more platforms for their
>>>>>> client...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> oggfwd seems like another linux based streaming video transcoder
>>>>>> that is
>>>>>> easy to use... there's a good tutorial here
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.streamingsuitcase.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 13:51 +0700, Sasha Costanza-Chock wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all, regarding the conversation about live streaming:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There was a recent event to live stream from Beirut, check out
>>>>>>> http://beirut.streamtime.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dongwon, could you share with imc-video list the configuration you
>>>>>>> experiment with for live streaming?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dee Dee, what tech configuration have you used for live streams of
>>>>>>> demos? Was it always satellite or have you done it over web also?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For tools, it seems like videolan is well developed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is also:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dynebolic: http://dynebolic.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Icecast: http://www.icecast.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Finally, in order to not have to pay for huge amounts of
>>>>>>> bandwidth, the
>>>>>>> only option will ultimately be to move to peer to peer
>>>>>>> streaming. I
>>>>>>> don't know what tools are best for this but I do know that it
>>>>>>> is already
>>>>>>> fully functional (thousands of people in China are watching
>>>>>>> pirated TV
>>>>>>> signals via P2P streaming).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> peace
>>>>>>> schock
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> imc-video-request at lists.indymedia.org wrote:
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Re: [sdhacklab] la indymedia needs video help with live
>>>>>>>> video
>>>>>>>> streaming (Echograph)
>>>>>>>> 2. Re: [sdhacklab] la indymedia needs video help with live
>>>>>>>> video
>>>>>>>> streaming (Echograph)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>>> Re: [IMC-Video] [sdhacklab] la indymedia needs video help with
>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>> video streaming
>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>> Echograph <echograph at echograph.com>
>>>>>>>> Date:
>>>>>>>> Fri, 11 Aug 2006 13:16:08 -0700
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> lotus at indymedia.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> lotus at indymedia.org
>>>>>>>> CC:
>>>>>>>> sdhacklab at lists.riseup.net, Rachel MacCratic
>>>>>>>> <ms.rachelness at gmail.com>,
>>>>>>>> imc-video at lists.indymedia.org, john duda <john at manifestor.org>,
>>>>>>>> imc-tech at lists.indymedia.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can have a MAC G4 power book and a PC laptop. For the MAC
>>>>>>>> we have the
>>>>>>>> iSight camera.
>>>>>>>> For the PC we would need to buy a camera.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 11, 2006, at 12:14 AM, lotu5 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds awesome.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can you reply to the questions below? What kind of laptop
>>>>>>>>> will you be
>>>>>>>>> using? What kind of camera would you like to use?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lotu5
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 2006-08-11 at 12:26 -0700, Echograph wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello form James at LA-IMC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Basically this is what we are trying to do:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We want to stream video on the IMC site live from the
>>>>>>>>>> street. We
>>>>>>>>>> believe this is possible without having a satellite and all
>>>>>>>>>> the stuff
>>>>>>>>>> TV news crews have. Our idea is to use a webcam into a
>>>>>>>>>> laptop and WIFI
>>>>>>>>>> leach to our server and then stream live out to the world.
>>>>>>>>>> We think we
>>>>>>>>>> have the equipment to do this but we need to find out what
>>>>>>>>>> to set up
>>>>>>>>>> software wise on our server. We think any IMC should be able
>>>>>>>>>> to do this
>>>>>>>>>> at very low cost. So we are asking around for technical
>>>>>>>>>> advice.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We think this would take IMC to a whole new level and
>>>>>>>>>> provide valuable
>>>>>>>>>> up to the minute news from the street. IMC has people in the
>>>>>>>>>> field
>>>>>>>>>> where news breaks at protests and the corporate media is
>>>>>>>>>> either not
>>>>>>>>>> there or spins the story wrong. We think inexpensive
>>>>>>>>>> technology exists
>>>>>>>>>> that would allow us to go live and scoop them all.
>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes people
>>>>>>>>>> chant "the whole world is watching" but sadly I don't think
>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>> always true, (yet). We want to show the world what's really
>>>>>>>>>> happening
>>>>>>>>>> in the streets and nothing conveys that like live video.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 11, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Rachel MacCratic
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, SDIMC is also working on a simulcast, too, one that's
>>>>>>>>>>> reaching across the border; so far I've been introduced to
>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>> www.videolan.org It'll run on windows, OS X, or Linux, of
>>>>>>>>>>> course. One
>>>>>>>>>>> machine functions as a server while a multiplicity of
>>>>>>>>>>> clients watch
>>>>>>>>>> >from other spots. I haven't actually done this, yet, but the
>>>>>>>>>>> preceding is my conceptual understanding.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/10/06, lotu5 at resist.ca <lotu5 at resist.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi. What platform are you using? Mac/pc? Windows/linux/macos?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In linux you can try using freej:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://freej.dyne.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> if you have a pc handy, you should be able to use a live cd
>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> dynebolic
>>>>>>>>>>> or ubuntu and run freej from there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> reply to me with more inf and i'll try to help...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lotu5
>>>>>>>>>>> http://sdhacklab.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Echograph
>>>>>>>>>>>> <echograph at echograph.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Echograph <echograph at echograph.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Editorial Working Group for IMC-US
>>>>>>>>>>>> <imc-us-editorial at lists.indymedia.org >
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Imc-us-editorial] Take Back The South
>>>>>>>>>>>> Central Farm
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are many who think its over and I think the enemy
>>>>>>>>>>>> wants people
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> think that. But the fight is still on I can tell you. And
>>>>>>>>>>>> if the
>>>>>>>>>>>> bulldozers come back there will be more resistance, more
>>>>>>>>>>>> arrests and
>>>>>>>>>>>> more outrage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Before the raid we were working on how to stream live
>>>>>>>>>>>> video via
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> webcam
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >from the farm, but did not figure it out in time. We
>>>>>>>>>>>> still want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> able to do this. Do you know any one that can help us
>>>>>>>>>>>> with this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> encrypted mail preferred // gpg key id 0x5B459C11
>>>>>>>>> gpg howto: http://dudu.dyn.2-h.org/nist/gpg-enigmail-howto
>>>>>>>>> gaim: djlotu5 // off the record messaging preferred
>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-the-record_messaging
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> my blog: http://feeds.feedburner.com/lotu5
>>>>>>>>> my podcast: http://feeds.feedburner.com/radioantifascista
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>>>> Re: [IMC-Video] [sdhacklab] la indymedia needs video help with
>>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>>> video streaming
>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>> Echograph <echograph at echograph.com>
>>>>>>>> Date:
>>>>>>>> Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:26:41 -0700
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> "Rachel MacCratic" <ms.rachelness at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> "Rachel MacCratic" <ms.rachelness at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> CC:
>>>>>>>> sdhacklab at lists.riseup.net, imc-video at lists.indymedia.org,
>>>>>>>> john duda
>>>>>>>> <john at manifestor.org>, imc-tech at lists.indymedia.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello form James at LA-IMC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Basically this is what we are trying to do:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We want to stream video on the IMC site live from the street.
>>>>>>>> We believe
>>>>>>>> this is possible without having a satellite and all the stuff
>>>>>>>> TV news
>>>>>>>> crews have. Our idea is to use a webcam into a laptop and WIFI
>>>>>>>> leach to
>>>>>>>> our server and then stream live out to the world. We think we
>>>>>>>> have the
>>>>>>>> equipment to do this but we need to find out what to set up
>>>>>>>> software
>>>>>>>> wise on our server. We think any IMC should be able to do this
>>>>>>>> at very
>>>>>>>> low cost. So we are asking around for technical advice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We think this would take IMC to a whole new level and provide
>>>>>>>> valuable
>>>>>>>> up to the minute news from the street. IMC has people in the
>>>>>>>> field where
>>>>>>>> news breaks at protests and the corporate media is either not
>>>>>>>> there or
>>>>>>>> spins the story wrong. We think inexpensive technology exists
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> would allow us to go live and scoop them all. Sometimes
>>>>>>>> people chant
>>>>>>>> "the whole world is watching" but sadly I don't think that's
>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>> true, (yet). We want to show the world what's really happening
>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>> streets and nothing conveys that like live video.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 11, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Rachel MacCratic wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello, SDIMC is also working on a simulcast, too, one that's
>>>>>>>>> reaching across the border; so far I've been introduced to this:
>>>>>>>>> www.videolan.org It'll run on windows, OS X, or Linux, of
>>>>>>>>> course. One
>>>>>>>>> machine functions as a server while a multiplicity of clients
>>>>>>>>> watch
>>>>>>>> >from other spots. I haven't actually done this, yet, but the
>>>>>>>>> preceding is my conceptual understanding.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 8/10/06, lotu5 at resist.ca <lotu5 at resist.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi. What platform are you using? Mac/pc? Windows/linux/macos?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In linux you can try using freej:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://freej.dyne.org/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> if you have a pc handy, you should be able to use a live cd like
>>>>>>>>> dynebolic
>>>>>>>>> or ubuntu and run freej from there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> reply to me with more inf and i'll try to help...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lotu5
>>>>>>>>> http://sdhacklab.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Forwarded message from Echograph
>>>>>>>>>> <echograph at echograph.com> -----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Echograph <echograph at echograph.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: Editorial Working Group for IMC-US
>>>>>>>>>> <imc-us-editorial at lists.indymedia.org >
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Imc-us-editorial] Take Back The South Central
>>>>>>>>>> Farm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are many who think its over and I think the enemy
>>>>>>>>>> wants people to
>>>>>>>>>> think that. But the fight is still on I can tell you. And if
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> bulldozers come back there will be more resistance, more
>>>>>>>>>> arrests and
>>>>>>>>>> more outrage.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Before the raid we were working on how to stream live video
>>>>>>>>>> via webcam
>>>>>>>>> >from the farm, but did not figure it out in time. We still
>>>>>>>>>> want to be
>>>>>>>>>> able to do this. Do you know any one that can help us with
>>>>>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> -------
>>>>>>>>
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