[IMC-Video] live streaming

mark burdett mark at indymedia.org
Tue Aug 22 14:57:28 PDT 2006 

at the moment, verizon is giving me an upload bandwidth of about 110kbps
here in sf, which is enough for a decent H.264 video stream.  probably 
similar in la.

--mark B.

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:31:34 -0700, Echograph wrote:
> This related, but is partly topic drift from my original question of  
> how to stream video for live broadcast
> 
> In an attempt to summarize the discussion so far as I understand it.
> 
> 1. WIFI connection has the best chance of providing the required  
> bandwidth for video. Cell phone too slow.
> 2. Some kind of software like Icecast installed on the IMC server is  
> required to stream the video.
> 3. The following equipment is required in the field:
> 	Lap top with WIFI
> 	Web cam or video cam USB or firewire connected to laptop, microphone
> 	Antenna (cantenna) may be required in some locations -   
> http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/cantennahowto.html
> 
> 4. Process and set-up:
> 	IMC site would have icon link on homepage that sends user to page  
> where video streams (Javascript?)
> 	reporters in the field would would locate open WIFI network and remote  
> log on to the local IMC server and send video
> 	software on IMC server would receive video and stream video out to  
> users.
> 
> 
> James
> LA-IMC
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, August 21, 2006, at 12:21  PM, Robbt wrote:
> 
> > I found this which streams DV from Firewire to
> > ethernet.
> >
> > http://www.sfc.wide.ad.jp/DVTS/
> >
> > Speaking of storing DV, what codec do people
> > recommend for archiving B-roll DV footage that
> > would be easily decompressed back into DV for
> > editing without too much quality loss. Any
> > suggestions. I'm thinking I could probably use
> > mencoder to put into Xvid but I'm not sure about
> > how the encoding back into DV would work. Has
> > anyone done this, and if so what do you
> > recommend.
> >
> > Later,
> >   Robbt
> >
> >> Now we're talking but $800 is outside my budget
> >> especially for a 40 Gbyte thing.   we've already
> >> considered
> >> plunking down a laptop next to the camera.  but
> >> we
> >> need to be accumulating the video files in a
> >> place
> >> they are accessible for distribution ON SITE to
> >> the
> >> participants and audiences in events. and upload
> >> to the web immediately rather than next
> >> christmas,
> >>
> >> Somebody up there (Apple, Sony etc) wants to
> >> charge
> >> ten times the actual cost of a storage device.
> >> That's all we are
> >> talking about---- a storage device with a
> >> proprietary
> >> interface to keep the volumes low, wall out the
> >> generic
> >> devices, and costs and prices high.   NAS
> >> storage is around
> >> $300 for a 500 GBytes
> >> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=nas+storage
> >> and these outperform a firewire drive since
> >> every chipset
> >> in every computer since the 1980s is designed
> >> from the ground up,
> >> to read and hurl data from memory to/from the
> >> network
> >> interface,
> >>
> >> sorry for the rant.   proprietary standards are
> >> destroying
> >> the planet and filling the landfills with toxic
> >> waste.
> >>
> >> Todd
> >>
> >> At 11:23 AM 8/21/2006, Michael Eisenmenger
> >> wrote:
> >>> if you just want to build a file for later
> >>> post,
> >>> get a firestore drive. These mount on the hot
> >>> shoe of your camera and record the video
> >>> straight to disk. Not sure what AVI format you
> >>> want, but it does several:
> >>>
> >>> <http://www.focusinfo.com/solutions/catalog.asp?id=3>http:// 
> >>> www.focusinfo.com/solutions/catalog.asp?id=3
> >>> No matter which DV nonlinear editing (NLE)
> >>> system you have, the FireStore FS-4 as you
> >>> covered. Files are recorded to disk as RawDV,
> >>> AVI Type 1, AVI Type 2, VI Type 2 24p, Matrox
> >>> AVI, Canopus AVI, Quick-Time or QuickTime 24p.
> >>> Some models also include Pinnacle AVI, Avid
> >>> DV-OMF and HD support. Simply connect the FS-4
> >>> to your Mac or PC editing system like a normal
> >>> FireWire hard disk drive and you are instantly
> >>> ready to edit. No capturing, no file transfer,
> >>> no file conversion. Just shoot and edit.
> >>> Transfer clips to your NLE system?s media drive
> >>> at up to four times real-time or edit instantly
> >>> in real-time using the FS-4 as your media
> >>> source.
> >>>
> >>> They run about $700-800. We use these on some
> >>> shoots ? in conjunction with an Sony Anycaster.
> >>>
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>> On 8/21/06 1:04 PM, "Todd Boyle"
> >>> <tboyle at rosehill.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Whle we're on the subject how can I stream
> >>> video from a
> >>> camcorder over TCP/IP to a fileserver?   In my
> >>> dreams, there
> >>> would be a little device the size of a pack of
> >>> cigarettes,
> >>> with a keypad to set the IP address, and you
> >>> plug in your
> >>> firewire from the camcorder on one end, and
> >>> plug in
> >>> a wired 100BaseT or Gigabit ethernet the other
> >>> end.
> >>> (I want to build an AVI file on the hard drive,
> >>> not stream it. )
> >>> (and if there's an easier way to connect my
> >>> camcorder to
> >>> my computer 150 feet away please tell me!  I
> >>> can't seem
> >>> to find a 150 foot firewire cable!)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance
> >>> Todd
> >>>
> >>> At 10:27 PM 8/19/2006, you wrote:
> >>> I don't think there will be enough bandwidth
> >>> for video streaming using
> >>> the verizon phone. Can of course do an audio
> >>> stream with that. There is
> >>> also the next generation broadband mobile being
> >>> rolled out now, I don't
> >>> know what the status of that is in LA (need to
> >>> do some research). I just
> >>> passed through Seoul where you can now see
> >>> people walking around on the
> >>> street talking to each other with full motion
> >>> video on their cell
> >>> screens... Even though that tech is not
> >>> available (or nowhere near
> >>> widespread) in the US yet, we should start
> >>> planning already for the
> >>> future of live IMC video broadcasts direct from
> >>> next gen cell phones ...
> >>>
> >>> schock
> >>>
> >>> Echograph wrote:
> >>>> Wow. That sounds like a good way to go. I
> >>> have a verizon cell phone. I
> >>>> will look into that.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wednesday, August 16, 2006, at 05:46  PM,
> >>> lotu5 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 2006-08-18 at 10:08 -0700,
> >>> Echograph wrote:
> >>>>>> 2. Cell phone network
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you already have a verizon wireless
> >>> phone, most of them provide free
> >>>>> modem speed internet access anywhere they
> >>> can get cell phone coverage.
> >>>>> it's an unadvertised service called mobile
> >>> office or something like
> >>>>> that. you just need a phone to usb cable
> >>> and you configure your phone as
> >>>>> a modem. its probably too slow for
> >>> streaming, though.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the instructions to do this are here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> <http://hyperpoem.livejournal.com/2005/04/23/>http:// 
> >>> hyperpoem.livejournal.com/2005/04/23/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> blog:
> >>> <http://deletetheborder.org/lotu5>http://deletetheborder.org/lotu5
> >>>>> podcast:
> >>> <http://feeds.feedburner.com/radioAntifascista>http:// 
> >>> feeds.feedburner.com/radioAntifascista
> >>>>>
> >>>>> gpg:0x5B459C11 // encrypted email preferred
> >>>>> gaim: djlotu5 // off the record messaging
> >>> preferred
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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