[IMC-Video] video streaming discussion...

[mark burdett]

the two easy ways to do this seem to be icecast as the server, with VLC
as the viewer, or else use a mac to stream the video via quicktime
broadcaster to Darwin streaming server.  A live quicktime stream can be
viewed by quicktime, realplayer or VLC.  you can use quicktime 
broadcaster to stream 3g video which theoretically people can watch on 
their cellphones.

I'd still recommend the cell connection if you're in a metro area with
broadband cell internet service.. it's more robust.  wifi does have more
bandwidth than cell, but the typical upstream DSL line has limited
upload bandwidth anyways so wifi doesn't help too much.

as far as linking from website to video, usually people would link to 
a metafile.  I don't know if its feasible to embed ogg video since so 
few people have a VLC browser plugin.

if you're doing quicktime you can embed quicktime video and/or link to a
quicktime metafile.  you can also use SMIL to make your own custom
interface, which can be viewed in a player or embedded in a browser.

--mark

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:49:37 -0700, Echograph wrote:
> Dear fellow IMCistas
> 
> I'm glad to see the discussion started up again on this. There were some good 
> ideas and points made last month from a lot of people.
> Is there some one on this list serve with the technical knowledge that can sum 
> up how to proceed so we can realize this?
> 
> I'm not a techie but what I gather from past discussion is that we can do this.
> From what I remember there are there main things to figure out.
> 
> 1. Connection from the field to the local IMC server.
> 2. Live feed to the server from the field.
> 3. Live stream from the server via the web site out to the internet.
> 
> For the connection from the field there were two ideas:
> 
> 1. Video cam or webcam to laptop to open WIFI network in the area to server.
> 2. Cam to laptop to cell phone network to server.
> 
> For the reporter in the field: the live feed to local server needs some kind of 
> user login page with buttons to click on to start the feed and also disk space 
> allocation on the server for the video data.
> For streaming: some kind of software like Icecast or a custom Java script is 
> needed.
> Also a link from the local IMC home page to a live video page where the 
> streaming is viewed by the user is needed.
> 
> I think a hacklab work session is needed for us to make progress on this. I'm 
> in Los Angeles and would be happy to help facilitate some kind of regional meet 
> up for IMC collectives who want to work on this.
> 
> James
> LA-IMC Collective
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, September 21, 2006, at 06:45  PM, mark burdett wrote:
> 
> >speaking of video streaming via icecast,
> >if a lot of folks get into it, maybe we could setup a continuous video
> >channel.  it could be functionally equivalent to the way we setup
> >critical mass radio network, with stream switching handled by the
> >icecast server.
> >
> >(I don't know how well the video players handle size, framerate, etc.
> >changing as the video plays -- I know iTunes had trouble with CMRN if we
> >switched samplerates.)
> >
> >--mark
> >
> >On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:50:43 -0700, mark burdett wrote:
> >>raw dvd video is under 10mbps
> >>so certainly you can do compressed video streaming on 11mbps.
> >>
> >>i think berkman only has 100mbps of bandwidth, so you'd want
> >>to make the stream 1mbps or less in order to serve a large
> >>number of viewers.
> >>
> >>--mark B.
> >>
> >>On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:56:32 -0700, lotu5 wrote:
> >>>I think that local hacklabs are awesome projects that can realy help to
> >>>generate interest and set aside time for tech gatherings that usually
> >>>gets neglected. i'm not sure how that scales to intl level beyond the
> >>>list that we have here already.
> >>>
> >>>Last night at our hacklab i explained and demo'ed our ogg theora
> >>>streaming setup that we're using next month for the zapaista tour stop
> >>>in tijuana. simply using the instructions from streaming suitcase.com
> >>>and a mont point on radio.indymedia.org worked. on ubuntu we were able
> >>>to install everthing from packages except from oggfwd, which is a really
> >>>simple compile. and i'm using ubuntu on an ibook and it works great.
> >>>
> >>>but, the problem we're still facing is the question of internet access.
> >>>is wireless fast enough? the ubuntu airport extreme driver only supports
> >>>11mbs/sec. prolly not fast enough! also, finding high speed access in
> >>>tijuana is proving hard for us. we're probably just going to have to
> >>>raise the funds to have a high speed dsl or cable line put into our
> >>>venue, and we have about a month to make that happen.
> >>>
> >>>sweating,
> >>>
> >>>  lotu5
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 09:34 -0700, Echograph wrote:
> >>>>I think we need to form a hacklab to realize all theideas we have.
> >>>>
> >>>>Where are we with the live streaming discussion?
> >>>>
> >>>>Also is any on this list in New York and covering the Bush at the UN
> >>>>protests?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On Tuesday, September 19, 2006, at 09:15  AM, Sasha Costanza-Chock
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>http://jumpcut.com/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>OK, now, we need to develop a FOSS version of this. :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I'm totally serious, this is a MUST
> >>>>>
> >>>>>schock
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