[IMC-Video] video streaming discussion...

Tue Sep 26 14:25:19 PDT 2006

one thing that helps is allowing the DSS to use port 80 
and doing HTTP tunneled streaming.

of course icecast is already HTTP, but it still might
be a good idea to run the icecast server on port 80, 
so it can get around any firewall restrictions.

--mark

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:42:39 +0000, rafael2k wrote:
> hi all!
> one issue i noticed is that people sometimes has problems to watch DSS 
> streaming when you are using nat, because DSS uses a udp way to transmit the 
> data, usually the user has to activate RTP over TCP inside the player.
> I tried DSS running in a Linux system, but i think dss is the same in maco$x 
> and linux.
> 
> 
> I'd like to see ogg/dirac foi icecast streaming!
> to embbed ogg video, people use cortado, that is a java applet, that any 
> browser w/ java can run.
> http://www.flumotion.net/cortado/
> 
> one another good option for live video is use ekiga, that is a voip softphone, 
> that, w/ an asterisk server well configured from indytel people 
> ( http://www.blagblagblag.org/BLASTERISK/ ), can broadcast video w/ very low 
> latency and bitrate, and in both directions :-)
> 
> 
> bye,
> rafael diniz
> 
> Em Seg 25 Set 2006 20:54, mark burdett escreveu:
> > the two easy ways to do this seem to be icecast as the server, with VLC
> > as the viewer, or else use a mac to stream the video via quicktime
> > broadcaster to Darwin streaming server.  A live quicktime stream can be
> > viewed by quicktime, realplayer or VLC.  you can use quicktime
> > broadcaster to stream 3g video which theoretically people can watch on
> > their cellphones.
> >
> > I'd still recommend the cell connection if you're in a metro area with
> > broadband cell internet service.. it's more robust.  wifi does have more
> > bandwidth than cell, but the typical upstream DSL line has limited
> > upload bandwidth anyways so wifi doesn't help too much.
> >
> > as far as linking from website to video, usually people would link to
> > a metafile.  I don't know if its feasible to embed ogg video since so
> > few people have a VLC browser plugin.
> >
> > if you're doing quicktime you can embed quicktime video and/or link to a
> > quicktime metafile.  you can also use SMIL to make your own custom
> > interface, which can be viewed in a player or embedded in a browser.
> >
> > --mark
> >
> > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:49:37 -0700, Echograph wrote:
> > > Dear fellow IMCistas
> > >
> > > I'm glad to see the discussion started up again on this. There were some
> > > good ideas and points made last month from a lot of people.
> > > Is there some one on this list serve with the technical knowledge that
> > > can sum up how to proceed so we can realize this?
> > >
> > > I'm not a techie but what I gather from past discussion is that we can do
> > > this. From what I remember there are there main things to figure out.
> > >
> > > 1. Connection from the field to the local IMC server.
> > > 2. Live feed to the server from the field.
> > > 3. Live stream from the server via the web site out to the internet.
> > >
> > > For the connection from the field there were two ideas:
> > >
> > > 1. Video cam or webcam to laptop to open WIFI network in the area to
> > > server. 2. Cam to laptop to cell phone network to server.
> > >
> > > For the reporter in the field: the live feed to local server needs some
> > > kind of user login page with buttons to click on to start the feed and
> > > also disk space allocation on the server for the video data.
> > > For streaming: some kind of software like Icecast or a custom Java script
> > > is needed.
> > > Also a link from the local IMC home page to a live video page where the
> > > streaming is viewed by the user is needed.
> > >
> > > I think a hacklab work session is needed for us to make progress on this.
> > > I'm in Los Angeles and would be happy to help facilitate some kind of
> > > regional meet up for IMC collectives who want to work on this.
> > >
> > > James
> > > LA-IMC Collective
> > >
> > > On Thursday, September 21, 2006, at 06:45  PM, mark burdett wrote:
> > > >speaking of video streaming via icecast,
> > > >if a lot of folks get into it, maybe we could setup a continuous video
> > > >channel.  it could be functionally equivalent to the way we setup
> > > >critical mass radio network, with stream switching handled by the
> > > >icecast server.
> > > >
> > > >(I don't know how well the video players handle size, framerate, etc.
> > > >changing as the video plays -- I know iTunes had trouble with CMRN if we
> > > >switched samplerates.)
> > > >
> > > >--mark
> > > >
> > > >On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:50:43 -0700, mark burdett wrote:
> > > >>raw dvd video is under 10mbps
> > > >>so certainly you can do compressed video streaming on 11mbps.
> > > >>
> > > >>i think berkman only has 100mbps of bandwidth, so you'd want
> > > >>to make the stream 1mbps or less in order to serve a large
> > > >>number of viewers.
> > > >>
> > > >>--mark B.
> > > >>
> > > >>On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:56:32 -0700, lotu5 wrote:
> > > >>>I think that local hacklabs are awesome projects that can realy help
> > > >>> to generate interest and set aside time for tech gatherings that
> > > >>> usually gets neglected. i'm not sure how that scales to intl level
> > > >>> beyond the list that we have here already.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Last night at our hacklab i explained and demo'ed our ogg theora
> > > >>>streaming setup that we're using next month for the zapaista tour stop
> > > >>>in tijuana. simply using the instructions from streaming suitcase.com
> > > >>>and a mont point on radio.indymedia.org worked. on ubuntu we were able
> > > >>>to install everthing from packages except from oggfwd, which is a
> > > >>> really simple compile. and i'm using ubuntu on an ibook and it works
> > > >>> great.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>but, the problem we're still facing is the question of internet
> > > >>> access. is wireless fast enough? the ubuntu airport extreme driver
> > > >>> only supports 11mbs/sec. prolly not fast enough! also, finding high
> > > >>> speed access in tijuana is proving hard for us. we're probably just
> > > >>> going to have to raise the funds to have a high speed dsl or cable
> > > >>> line put into our venue, and we have about a month to make that
> > > >>> happen.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>sweating,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>  lotu5
> > > >>>
> > > >>>On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 09:34 -0700, Echograph wrote:
> > > >>>>I think we need to form a hacklab to realize all theideas we have.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Where are we with the live streaming discussion?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Also is any on this list in New York and covering the Bush at the UN
> > > >>>>protests?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>On Tuesday, September 19, 2006, at 09:15  AM, Sasha Costanza-Chock
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>wrote:
> > > >>>>>http://jumpcut.com/
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>OK, now, we need to develop a FOSS version of this. :)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>I'm totally serious, this is a MUST
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>schock
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