[IMC-Video] It's Our Web!

[Doug]

While I am sympathetic to Ben's POV, unless Indymedia gets its finger 
out it will forever lag behind commercial sites and thereby loose a lot 
of activist material, as well as contributions from non-technical 
newbies. This is best illustrated by the lack of embedded video. Some 
people just can't be bothered to download lengthy files only to find 
they won't play on their operating system unless they then frig about 
downloading something else which might not work either.

So, for the time being anyway, many contributions will inevitably be 
made to the newswire which include links to commercial sites.

Doug.

>----Original Message----
>From: catvpro at earthlink.net
>Date: 06/12/2007 8:44 
>To: "ben"<ben at riseup.net>, <imc-video at lists.indymedia.org>
>Subj: Re: [IMC-Video] It&#39;s Our Web!
>
>Ben & Indymedia:
>There are a few slogan by which meida giants live by that answers 
what Ben typed and they are:
>1. never give up
>2. whatever it takes
>3. learn the rules so thast you'll know how to break them
>
>In creating the youtubes and myspaces and facebooks, it doesn't 
matter what individuals use these sites for, the bigger picture is in 
the addiction and dependency on these and other site like them to get 
on in the world. Once hooked, your own behavior and emotions are 
manipulated.
>We fail to realize, however, that the appearance of activist videos 
on these sites do draw millions of viewers and are excellent vehicles 
for distribution and dissemination. We also fail to realize, and more 
importantly to Ben's point (or so I think is Ben's point) that if 
viewers don't purchase what is advertised on these sites, neither the 
sites or its advertisers would be making money.
>Therefore the focus shouldn't be on using these sites to post videos 
and have them carry our messages to others, instead, it is not to get 
caught up in the consumer culture frenzy.   
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: ben <ben at riseup.net>
>>Sent: Dec 4, 2007 3:09 PM
>>To: imc-video at lists.indymedia.org
>>Subject: Re: [IMC-Video] It's Our Web!
>>
>>oh the irony, a video pointing out how media giants exploit free 
content
>>posted on youtube by the makers as their prime vehicle for 
distribution.
>>
>>Then, for double the irony, they use the Creative Commons 
Noncommercial
>>license while telling people that that means they can repost it 
anywhere,
>>apparently ignoring the fact that the non-commercial clause would 
exclude
>>free use of the video on commercial sites such as youtube etc which 
make
>>they money from selling the audience they attract with free 
content....
>>classic ;-)
>>
>>ben
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> We would like to brodcast it but cant from youtube. Can you post 
it as a
>>> download so we can add it to our RSS feed on http://visionontv.net
>>>
>>> Would recommend blip.tv for a direct download or vuze for a 
torrent both
>>> are very easy to setup.
>>>
>>> Our speck for encoding is here http://visionontv.info
>>>
>>> Nice video (:
>>>
>>> Hamish
>>>
>>>
>>> steve at coanews.org wrote:
>>>> We have just launched the ?Our Web? campaign/video at
>>>> http://freespeech.org/ourweb
>>>> -please visit, check out our exciting animated video and share it 
with
>>>> your networks.
>>>>
>>>> This is a pivotal time for the Internet, the most powerful and
>>>> interactive medium humans have ever seen.   New commercial 
incursions
>>>> by big online media enterprises including the widely distained
>>>> "Facebook Beacon", make explicit what new media giants have been 
doing
>>>> quietly for some time; searching for new and evermore effective 
ways
>>>> to sell our attention, our clicks and our private information to
>>>> advertisers and marketers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks so much for helping get the word out about this; we need 
to
>>>> have a serious public debate about this issue now, before 
interests
>>>> are further entrenched.
>>>>
>>>> Find a background article on this subject here:
>>>> http://coanews.org/article/2007/our-web-not-theirs
>>>> -this article available under a Creative Commons license, which 
means
>>>> you may freely republish it in full on any website/publication.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It?s Our Web!
>>>> Steve Anderson
>>>> http://freespeech.org/ourweb
>>>>
>>>>



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