[IMC-Video] Fw: It's Our Web!

Doug smithx at lineone.net
Tue Dec 11 03:30:23 PST 2007 

Cat,

I can't make up my mind whether this lagging behind is due to limited 
resources or a certain mindset which precludes technical advances. 
There is, maybe, also a hint of paranoia about using stuff which can be 
traced to individuals, like video as well as the use of mobiles, though 
I am sure the authorities know about everyone already and have had 
their moles firmly ensconced for quite some time,  as well as 
monitoring  these lists,  IRC and the FIT videoing activists anyway. 

Doug.

----Original Message----
From: catvpro at earthlink.net
Date: 10/12/2007 19:33 
To: "Doug"<smithx at lineone.net>
Subj: Re: [IMC-Video] It&#39;s Our Web!

Doug:
I agree with you. 
Technologically, IndyMedia, Engage, Activists, and others will be 
perpetual 2nd place finsihers unless they can come up with a site that 
other media content producers like myself, and Doug among others, can 
upload short (under 10 minutes) pieces that can be quickly downloaded 
for repeat playback on people's desk & laptops, DVD players, or can be 
used on other distribution media like P.E.G. Access TV either by the P.
E.G. centers themselves, those who have inhouse production crews, 
or/and independent producers like myself.
Large files, some being 30 minutes or more, are not conducive for 
feature spots on access programs because of their duration and the 
incompatibility of software.




-----Original Message-----
>From: Doug <smithx at lineone.net>
>Sent: Dec 6, 2007 4:38 AM
>To: catvpro at earthlink.net, ben <ben at riseup.net>, imc-video at lists.
indymedia.org
>Subject: Re: [IMC-Video] It's Our Web!
>
>While I am sympathetic to Ben's POV, unless Indymedia gets its 
finger 
>out it will forever lag behind commercial sites and thereby loose a 
lot 
>of activist material, as well as contributions from non-technical 
>newbies. This is best illustrated by the lack of embedded video. 
Some 
>people just can't be bothered to download lengthy files only to find 
>they won't play on their operating system unless they then frig 
about 
>downloading something else which might not work either.
>
>So, for the time being anyway, many contributions will inevitably be 
>made to the newswire which include links to commercial sites.
>
>Doug.
>
>>----Original Message----
>>From: catvpro at earthlink.net
>>Date: 06/12/2007 8:44 
>>To: "ben"<ben at riseup.net>, <imc-video at lists.indymedia.org>
>>Subj: Re: [IMC-Video] It's Our Web!
>>
>>Ben & Indymedia:
>>There are a few slogan by which meida giants live by that answers 
>what Ben typed and they are:
>>1. never give up
>>2. whatever it takes
>>3. learn the rules so thast you'll know how to break them
>>
>>In creating the youtubes and myspaces and facebooks, it doesn't 
>matter what individuals use these sites for, the bigger picture is 
in 
>the addiction and dependency on these and other site like them to 
get 
>on in the world. Once hooked, your own behavior and emotions are 
>manipulated.
>>We fail to realize, however, that the appearance of activist videos 
>on these sites do draw millions of viewers and are excellent 
vehicles 
>for distribution and dissemination. We also fail to realize, and 
more 
>importantly to Ben's point (or so I think is Ben's point) that if 
>viewers don't purchase what is advertised on these sites, neither 
the 
>sites or its advertisers would be making money.
>>Therefore the focus shouldn't be on using these sites to post 
videos 
>and have them carry our messages to others, instead, it is not to 
get 
>caught up in the consumer culture frenzy.   
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: ben <ben at riseup.net>
>>>Sent: Dec 4, 2007 3:09 PM
>>>To: imc-video at lists.indymedia.org
>>>Subject: Re: [IMC-Video] It's Our Web!
>>>
>>>oh the irony, a video pointing out how media giants exploit free 
>content
>>>posted on youtube by the makers as their prime vehicle for 
>distribution.
>>>
>>>Then, for double the irony, they use the Creative Commons 
>Noncommercial
>>>license while telling people that that means they can repost it 
>anywhere,
>>>apparently ignoring the fact that the non-commercial clause would 
>exclude
>>>free use of the video on commercial sites such as youtube etc 
which 
>make
>>>they money from selling the audience they attract with free 
>content....
>>>classic ;-)
>>>
>>>ben
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> We would like to brodcast it but cant from youtube. Can you post 
>it as a
>>>> download so we can add it to our RSS feed on http://visionontv.
net
>>>>
>>>> Would recommend blip.tv for a direct download or vuze for a 
>torrent both
>>>> are very easy to setup.
>>>>
>>>> Our speck for encoding is here http://visionontv.info
>>>>
>>>> Nice video (:
>>>>
>>>> Hamish
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> steve at coanews.org wrote:
>>>>> We have just launched the ?Our Web? campaign/video at
>>>>> http://freespeech.org/ourweb
>>>>> -please visit, check out our exciting animated video and share 
it 
>with
>>>>> your networks.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a pivotal time for the Internet, the most powerful and
>>>>> interactive medium humans have ever seen.   New commercial 
>incursions
>>>>> by big online media enterprises including the widely distained
>>>>> "Facebook Beacon", make explicit what new media giants have 
been 
>doing
>>>>> quietly for some time; searching for new and evermore effective 
>ways
>>>>> to sell our attention, our clicks and our private information to
>>>>> advertisers and marketers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks so much for helping get the word out about this; we need 
>to
>>>>> have a serious public debate about this issue now, before 
>interests
>>>>> are further entrenched.
>>>>>
>>>>> Find a background article on this subject here:
>>>>> http://coanews.org/article/2007/our-web-not-theirs
>>>>> -this article available under a Creative Commons license, which 
>means
>>>>> you may freely republish it in full on any website/publication.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It?s Our Web!
>>>>> Steve Anderson
>>>>> http://freespeech.org/ourweb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>
>
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