[IMC-Video] [IMC-Tech] cloning youtube?

Thu Jul 5 23:41:08 UTC 2007

Hi, we're on these lists because we're working on replacing corporate 
media sites, capitalism as a whole, etc.  what is apparently working 
for you individually isn't going to help an indymedia site or the 
network as a whole, which has criteria of membership about not making 
money, engaging in commercial enterprise, relying on proprietary 
software, etc.

one thing I was thinking, since you can already use free software to 
play flv files, in the form of various media player browser plugins 
(totem, VLC, kmplayer etc.):

you create a javascript library, similar to swfobject.  give it a flv 
URL and it detects flash and embeds the flash player, or if not 
found, embeds the flv in some other browser plugin.. finally if no 
plugin or no javascript, you just get a link to the video.

this means the free video players are supported, and at the same time 
the 1000x more people who have flash can watch the video..

--mark B.

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:36:45 -0400, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote:
>  
>  
> 2 thoughts.....
>  
> First- 
> yea  you-tube is mainstream but....  why not put stuff up  there  also?  
> Yikes!   IT IS FREE!
> I would still keep  your own system online also, but by using 'their'  system 
>  you have exposed people to your material that may never have found  you.....
>  
> The reason I know about you guys is we are a communications museum that  
> studies  communication and you are part of that.... but If I was 'Joe  
> businessman' and his family I would be in using  you tube and would  not  get to see 
> anything you do because you are not in my   "presented to me" videosphere!
>  
> Second-
>  
> You need  some capitalism ..... it is really not as bad when used in  
> moderation as you might think.... and 
> remember the WALL came down....  the other system just really does not  work 
> in the long term because it is not a pure application of it nor will humans  
> allow a pure application of it....  so... lets go out and make some  money... 
> make some movies... and do our best everyday to make things   better overall.
>  
>  
>  
> n a message dated 7/5/2007 3:05:18 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
> rafael at riseup.net writes:
> 
> hi  all,
> 
> > >> primary target is to share and communicate  information/news, not to
> > >> smash adobe and microsoft, that can  be left for a second step.
> > >
> > > But if that second step  isn't done soon enough and Adobe have all the
> > > Sklyarov's locked  up, Microsoft have all the computers locked down,
> > > IBM have  exported all the hardware jobs and Novell signs deals with
> > > them  all, how are you going to share and communicate then?
> >
> > Yes, we  MUST fight on every front, however, we're late. Youtube is
> > working and  popular, we need to start something soon and then keep on
> > improving  and moving towards the most free idea. That's how the Linux
> > kernel was  done: it started as a crappy thing and kept on growing. The
> > FSF  approach's mach-micro-kernel is still unstable, 20 years later.
> 
> I don't  want to be youtube.
> youtube is the way capitalism turns free ideias into  products.
> imho, indymedia do not pretend to be the most advanced cms site,  but yes 
> make 
> smaller voices speak.
> 
> > Then, putting a bit of  history:
> >
> > - IBM has released loads of patents for Linux and has  contributed with
> > millions of lines of code to the Kernel, RAID, and  paid big amount of
> > coders to improve FLOSS.
> 
> yes, and now linux  do not run well anymore in my 486, and almost nobody 
> helped 
> cinelerra in  about 10 years.
> but in S/390, oh yes....
> 
> > - Novell bought SuSE  and Ximian. You can bet nobody did so much for the
> > FLOSS desktops than  they.
> 
> and what?
> they are companies that wants money, that is the way  capitalism take over 
> free 
> ideias into the 'system' (to make  money).
> 
> 
> > For me, Adobe and MS are another song  ;)
> 
> why?
> 
> and don't want companies exist et  all.
> 
> bye,
> rafael diniz
> 
> > >>     In  fact, most video activists aren't using Kino/Cinelerra for video
> >  >> edition, most use Adobe's or Apple's software, so, God damned!  what
> > >> we're talking about?  [...]
> > >
> >  > Yes, that's another problem, but existance of other problems  should
> > > not make us discourage people from working on any problem  they choose,
> > > as long as we agree it is a problem that needs  solving.  If you attack
> > > someone for not agreeing with your  priority, you usually lose someone
> > > working on a problem - it's  very rare that you'll convince them to
> > > work on your priority  problem instead.  I've learnt this the hard way.
> >
> > Sure,  the ship is sinking and you only have two hands, what's first?
> >  switching the pcs from windows to linux or patching the holes on the  boat?
> >
> > I already know your answer :P
> >
> >
> >  Regards,
> 
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> Ed Sharpe, Archivist for SMECC  
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> library - please advise if you  have anything we can use.
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