[IMC-Video] [IMC-Tech] cloning youtube?
Ben
ben at riseup.net
Fri Jul 6 08:19:15 UTC 2007
nicely said andre
as somebody who has had his work censored on youtube without being
even told which guidelines i meant to have broken, i am totally
unconvinced by anyone pointing at youtube as any kind of option. it's
not even as if it is actually that good for exposure. ok, so i have
one video with 30,000 views but other, upload around the same time
have had under 100 views. to get higher viewing figures you have to
compete with trashy element on youtube and sex up the title you give
your video. meanwhile on imc uk i'm likely to get under 300 views for
a video after being on the site for a month and yes that is pitiful
but indymedia uk is pityful.
perhaps current.tv is a better thing for the pro-you-tubers to be
pointing at as it is a proper tv channel with potential audiences of
50 million and they pay you for your content.
meanwhile, it's obvious that indymedia video has a long way to go
ben
On Jul 6, 2007, at 9:03 AM, rotesocke at eml.cc wrote:
> hello there,
>
> i just have one question in regard to this (pretty abstract)
> discussion
> about youtube: anyone have an idea why uploading a video with
> political
> content into youtube might be a problem? no?
>
> this is why youtube is absolutely NO(!) alternative for independent
> media:
>
> - like other systems with social-networking-character youtube is
> used as
> a platform for guerillia-marketing which makes it hard to evaluate the
> authenticity of content
> - only one example of many others: in case of the popular al-gore-
> video
> connections could now be traced to an advertising company an the
> oilindustry giant exxon and general motors
> - what do you know about the moderations on the site?
> - there are many other reasons why this is no platform for alternative
> media: please do some research
>
> and don't believe the hype! i see no point of discussing youtube as an
> alternative in the IMC-video list.
>
> cheers,
> andré
>
>
>
> COURYHOUSE at aol.com schrieb:
>> 2 thoughts.....
>>
>> First-
>> yea you-tube is mainstream but.... why not put stuff up there
>> also? Yikes! IT IS FREE!
>> I would still keep your own system online also, but by using 'their'
>> system you have exposed people to your material that may never have
>> found you.....
>>
>> The reason I know about you guys is we are a communications museum
>> that studies communication and you are part of that.... but If I was
>> 'Joe businessman' and his family I would be in using you tube and
>> would not get to see anything you do because you are not in my
>> *"presented to me"* videosphere!
>>
>> Second-
>>
>> You need some capitalism ..... it is really not as bad when used in
>> moderation as you might think.... and
>> remember the WALL came down.... the other system just really does
>> not
>> work in the long term because it is not a pure application of it nor
>> will humans allow a pure application of it.... so... lets go out and
>> make some money... make some movies... and do our best everyday to
>> make things better overall.
>>
>>
>>
>> n a message dated 7/5/2007 3:05:18 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
>> rafael at riseup.net writes:
>>
>> hi all,
>>
>>>>> primary target is to share and communicate information/news,
>> not to
>>>>> smash adobe and microsoft, that can be left for a second step.
>>>>
>>>> But if that second step isn't done soon enough and Adobe have
>> all the
>>>> Sklyarov's locked up, Microsoft have all the computers locked
>> down,
>>>> IBM have exported all the hardware jobs and Novell signs deals
>> with
>>>> them all, how are you going to share and communicate then?
>>>
>>> Yes, we MUST fight on every front, however, we're late. Youtube is
>>> working and popular, we need to start something soon and then
>> keep on
>>> improving and moving towards the most free idea. That's how the
>> Linux
>>> kernel was done: it started as a crappy thing and kept on
>> growing. The
>>> FSF approach's mach-micro-kernel is still unstable, 20 years later.
>>
>> I don't want to be youtube.
>> youtube is the way capitalism turns free ideias into products.
>> imho, indymedia do not pretend to be the most advanced cms site,
>> but yes make
>> smaller voices speak.
>>
>>> Then, putting a bit of history:
>>>
>>> - IBM has released loads of patents for Linux and has
>> contributed with
>>> millions of lines of code to the Kernel, RAID, and paid big
>> amount of
>>> coders to improve FLOSS.
>>
>> yes, and now linux do not run well anymore in my 486, and almost
>> nobody helped
>> cinelerra in about 10 years.
>> but in S/390, oh yes....
>>
>>> - Novell bought SuSE and Ximian. You can bet nobody did so much
>> for the
>>> FLOSS desktops than they.
>>
>> and what?
>> they are companies that wants money, that is the way capitalism
>> take over free
>> ideias into the 'system' (to make money).
>>
>>
>>> For me, Adobe and MS are another song ;)
>>
>> why?
>>
>> and don't want companies exist et all.
>>
>> bye,
>> rafael diniz
>>
>>>>> In fact, most video activists aren't using Kino/Cinelerra
>> for video
>>>>> edition, most use Adobe's or Apple's software, so, God
>> damned! what
>>>>> we're talking about? [...]
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's another problem, but existance of other problems
>> should
>>>> not make us discourage people from working on any problem they
>> choose,
>>>> as long as we agree it is a problem that needs solving. If
>> you attack
>>>> someone for not agreeing with your priority, you usually lose
>> someone
>>>> working on a problem - it's very rare that you'll convince them to
>>>> work on your priority problem instead. I've learnt this the
>> hard way.
>>>
>>> Sure, the ship is sinking and you only have two hands, what's first?
>>> switching the pcs from windows to linux or patching the holes on
>> the boat?
>>>
>>> I already know your answer :P
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>
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