[IMC-Video] [IMC-Tech] cloning youtube?
mark burdett
mark at indymedia.org
Fri Jul 6 15:57:23 UTC 2007
here's some stats i found on viewership:
requests gigabytes video
769 9.17 http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2007/07/01/bakers_1.mov
3083 3.27 http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2007/07/01/bakers_1.mov_preview_.flv
so flv has been a way to decrease bandwidth usage and seems
to be more popular than the original quicktime version..
--mark
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:19:15 +0100, Ben wrote:
> nicely said andre
>
> as somebody who has had his work censored on youtube without being
> even told which guidelines i meant to have broken, i am totally
> unconvinced by anyone pointing at youtube as any kind of option. it's
> not even as if it is actually that good for exposure. ok, so i have
> one video with 30,000 views but other, upload around the same time
> have had under 100 views. to get higher viewing figures you have to
> compete with trashy element on youtube and sex up the title you give
> your video. meanwhile on imc uk i'm likely to get under 300 views for
> a video after being on the site for a month and yes that is pitiful
> but indymedia uk is pityful.
>
> perhaps current.tv is a better thing for the pro-you-tubers to be
> pointing at as it is a proper tv channel with potential audiences of
> 50 million and they pay you for your content.
>
> meanwhile, it's obvious that indymedia video has a long way to go
>
> ben
>
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2007, at 9:03 AM, rotesocke at eml.cc wrote:
>
> > hello there,
> >
> > i just have one question in regard to this (pretty abstract)
> > discussion
> > about youtube: anyone have an idea why uploading a video with
> > political
> > content into youtube might be a problem? no?
> >
> > this is why youtube is absolutely NO(!) alternative for independent
> > media:
> >
> > - like other systems with social-networking-character youtube is
> > used as
> > a platform for guerillia-marketing which makes it hard to evaluate the
> > authenticity of content
> > - only one example of many others: in case of the popular al-gore-
> > video
> > connections could now be traced to an advertising company an the
> > oilindustry giant exxon and general motors
> > - what do you know about the moderations on the site?
> > - there are many other reasons why this is no platform for alternative
> > media: please do some research
> >
> > and don't believe the hype! i see no point of discussing youtube as an
> > alternative in the IMC-video list.
> >
> > cheers,
> > andr?
> >
> >
> >
> > COURYHOUSE at aol.com schrieb:
> >> 2 thoughts.....
> >>
> >> First-
> >> yea you-tube is mainstream but.... why not put stuff up there
> >> also? Yikes! IT IS FREE!
> >> I would still keep your own system online also, but by using 'their'
> >> system you have exposed people to your material that may never have
> >> found you.....
> >>
> >> The reason I know about you guys is we are a communications museum
> >> that studies communication and you are part of that.... but If I was
> >> 'Joe businessman' and his family I would be in using you tube and
> >> would not get to see anything you do because you are not in my
> >> *"presented to me"* videosphere!
> >>
> >> Second-
> >>
> >> You need some capitalism ..... it is really not as bad when used in
> >> moderation as you might think.... and
> >> remember the WALL came down.... the other system just really does
> >> not
> >> work in the long term because it is not a pure application of it nor
> >> will humans allow a pure application of it.... so... lets go out and
> >> make some money... make some movies... and do our best everyday to
> >> make things better overall.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> n a message dated 7/5/2007 3:05:18 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> >> rafael at riseup.net writes:
> >>
> >> hi all,
> >>
> >>>>> primary target is to share and communicate information/news,
> >> not to
> >>>>> smash adobe and microsoft, that can be left for a second step.
> >>>>
> >>>> But if that second step isn't done soon enough and Adobe have
> >> all the
> >>>> Sklyarov's locked up, Microsoft have all the computers locked
> >> down,
> >>>> IBM have exported all the hardware jobs and Novell signs deals
> >> with
> >>>> them all, how are you going to share and communicate then?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, we MUST fight on every front, however, we're late. Youtube is
> >>> working and popular, we need to start something soon and then
> >> keep on
> >>> improving and moving towards the most free idea. That's how the
> >> Linux
> >>> kernel was done: it started as a crappy thing and kept on
> >> growing. The
> >>> FSF approach's mach-micro-kernel is still unstable, 20 years later.
> >>
> >> I don't want to be youtube.
> >> youtube is the way capitalism turns free ideias into products.
> >> imho, indymedia do not pretend to be the most advanced cms site,
> >> but yes make
> >> smaller voices speak.
> >>
> >>> Then, putting a bit of history:
> >>>
> >>> - IBM has released loads of patents for Linux and has
> >> contributed with
> >>> millions of lines of code to the Kernel, RAID, and paid big
> >> amount of
> >>> coders to improve FLOSS.
> >>
> >> yes, and now linux do not run well anymore in my 486, and almost
> >> nobody helped
> >> cinelerra in about 10 years.
> >> but in S/390, oh yes....
> >>
> >>> - Novell bought SuSE and Ximian. You can bet nobody did so much
> >> for the
> >>> FLOSS desktops than they.
> >>
> >> and what?
> >> they are companies that wants money, that is the way capitalism
> >> take over free
> >> ideias into the 'system' (to make money).
> >>
> >>
> >>> For me, Adobe and MS are another song ;)
> >>
> >> why?
> >>
> >> and don't want companies exist et all.
> >>
> >> bye,
> >> rafael diniz
> >>
> >>>>> In fact, most video activists aren't using Kino/Cinelerra
> >> for video
> >>>>> edition, most use Adobe's or Apple's software, so, God
> >> damned! what
> >>>>> we're talking about? [...]
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, that's another problem, but existance of other problems
> >> should
> >>>> not make us discourage people from working on any problem they
> >> choose,
> >>>> as long as we agree it is a problem that needs solving. If
> >> you attack
> >>>> someone for not agreeing with your priority, you usually lose
> >> someone
> >>>> working on a problem - it's very rare that you'll convince them to
> >>>> work on your priority problem instead. I've learnt this the
> >> hard way.
> >>>
> >>> Sure, the ship is sinking and you only have two hands, what's first?
> >>> switching the pcs from windows to linux or patching the holes on
> >> the boat?
> >>>
> >>> I already know your answer :P
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>
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