[IMC-Video] [IMC-Tech] cloning youtube?

Fri Jul 6 08:03:02 UTC 2007

hello there,

i just have one question in regard to this (pretty abstract) discussion
about youtube: anyone have an idea why uploading a video with political
content  into youtube might be a problem? no?

this is why youtube is absolutely NO(!) alternative for independent media:

- like other systems with social-networking-character youtube is used as
a platform for guerillia-marketing which makes it hard to evaluate the
authenticity of content
- only one example of many others: in case of the popular al-gore-video
connections could now be traced to an advertising company an the
oilindustry giant exxon and general motors
- what do you know about the moderations on the site?
- there are many other reasons why this is no platform for alternative
media: please do some research

and don't believe the hype! i see no point of discussing youtube as an
alternative in the IMC-video list.

cheers,
andré

COURYHOUSE at aol.com schrieb:
> 2 thoughts.....
>  
> First-
> yea  you-tube is mainstream but....  why not put stuff up there 
> also?  Yikes!   IT IS FREE!
> I would still keep  your own system online also, but by using 'their'
> system  you have exposed people to your material that may never have
> found you.....
>  
> The reason I know about you guys is we are a communications museum
> that studies  communication and you are part of that.... but If I was
> 'Joe businessman' and his family I would be in using  you tube and
> would not  get to see anything you do because you are not in my 
> *"presented to me"* videosphere!
>  
> Second-
>  
> You need  some capitalism ..... it is really not as bad when used in
> moderation as you might think.... and
> remember the WALL came down....  the other system just really does not
> work in the long term because it is not a pure application of it nor
> will humans allow a pure application of it....  so... lets go out and
> make some money... make some movies... and do our best everyday to
> make things  better overall.
>  
>  
>  
> n a message dated 7/5/2007 3:05:18 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> rafael at riseup.net writes:
>
>     hi all,
>
>     > >> primary target is to share and communicate information/news,
>     not to
>     > >> smash adobe and microsoft, that can be left for a second step.
>     > >
>     > > But if that second step isn't done soon enough and Adobe have
>     all the
>     > > Sklyarov's locked up, Microsoft have all the computers locked
>     down,
>     > > IBM have exported all the hardware jobs and Novell signs deals
>     with
>     > > them all, how are you going to share and communicate then?
>     >
>     > Yes, we MUST fight on every front, however, we're late. Youtube is
>     > working and popular, we need to start something soon and then
>     keep on
>     > improving and moving towards the most free idea. That's how the
>     Linux
>     > kernel was done: it started as a crappy thing and kept on
>     growing. The
>     > FSF approach's mach-micro-kernel is still unstable, 20 years later.
>
>     I don't want to be youtube.
>     youtube is the way capitalism turns free ideias into products.
>     imho, indymedia do not pretend to be the most advanced cms site,
>     but yes make
>     smaller voices speak.
>
>     > Then, putting a bit of history:
>     >
>     > - IBM has released loads of patents for Linux and has
>     contributed with
>     > millions of lines of code to the Kernel, RAID, and paid big
>     amount of
>     > coders to improve FLOSS.
>
>     yes, and now linux do not run well anymore in my 486, and almost
>     nobody helped
>     cinelerra in about 10 years.
>     but in S/390, oh yes....
>
>     > - Novell bought SuSE and Ximian. You can bet nobody did so much
>     for the
>     > FLOSS desktops than they.
>
>     and what?
>     they are companies that wants money, that is the way capitalism
>     take over free
>     ideias into the 'system' (to make money).
>
>
>     > For me, Adobe and MS are another song ;)
>
>     why?
>
>     and don't want companies exist et all.
>
>     bye,
>     rafael diniz
>
>     > >>     In fact, most video activists aren't using Kino/Cinelerra
>     for video
>     > >> edition, most use Adobe's or Apple's software, so, God
>     damned! what
>     > >> we're talking about?  [...]
>     > >
>     > > Yes, that's another problem, but existance of other problems
>     should
>     > > not make us discourage people from working on any problem they
>     choose,
>     > > as long as we agree it is a problem that needs solving.  If
>     you attack
>     > > someone for not agreeing with your priority, you usually lose
>     someone
>     > > working on a problem - it's very rare that you'll convince them to
>     > > work on your priority problem instead.  I've learnt this the
>     hard way.
>     >
>     > Sure, the ship is sinking and you only have two hands, what's first?
>     > switching the pcs from windows to linux or patching the holes on
>     the boat?
>     >
>     > I already know your answer :P
>     >
>     >
>     > Regards,
>
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>
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