[IMC-Video] Democratic Media

Mon Jul 9 12:54:27 UTC 2007

just wanted to:
1. throw in my solidarity for those who also boycott these commercial
sites and thanks to those working away on alternatives.
2. also to point out that one of the main disadvantages of the indymedia
network through the years has been that the hard-line political stances
have too often translated into hard-line political content (video or
otherwise) -- smashing and/or talking heads -- which with all due respect
as the majority of content, does not exactly help interest new people or
maintain people's ever shortening attention span. being more welcoming to
pieces that rely on art, comedy, music, etc. or more long term projects
that can only be completed with long term support, could go a long way and
is something these commercial platforms certainly overtake us at as well;
hopefully a new platform of our own will due some to change this.
rona

On Mon, July 9, 2007 3:41 am, and wrote:
> Hey Steve,
> nice article. I guess it's a hard to make a call on whether you're
> subverting or being coopted when you put criticism of big media on big
> media, is it absorbed/coopted or is it part of a self-distruct mechanism?
> It's probably both to a greater or lesser degree depending
> on the video in question.
>
> My tendency at the moment is to take a fairly hard-line on these
> spaces though as I do\n't think they are coming in for any where near the
> criticism they deserve, almost everyone (including most activists) seem
> seduced by them. Which brings us back to the technical question/mission
> again which needs much more effort if it is to produce viable
> alternatives.
>
> Cheers.
> And.
>
>
>
>
> On 08/07/2007, at 11:42 PM, steve at coanews.org wrote:
>
>
>> he he, funny thing is I've written widely about the new corporate media
>> thing. Here is a little article I wrote a while ago and little video
>> too:
>> http://www.coanews.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=1332
>>
>>
>> I'm also involved with FreespeechTv's new online non-profit online
>> community http://community.freespeech.org
>>
>> I use Youtube in some cases when I think it is strategically worth
>> it - it's definitely a trade off, and I support developing our own
>> resources, and I am involved in making this happen.
>>
>> I agree with most of your points, they mostly echo my own.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting and <and at axxs.org>:
>>
>>
>>> This is an interesting article following similar lines to those
>>> discussed here
>>>
>>> What the MySpace generation should know about working for free
>>> http://www.re-public.gr/en/wp-print.php?p=138
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/07/2007, at 3:52 PM, Michael Eisenmenger wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> When YouTube sold to Google for 1.65 billion, that amounted to
>>>> approx. $5000 per YouTube user. Television has always been based on
>>>> the model of selling 'viewers' to 'advertisers', now in the online
>>>> environment,  'users' and content producers' are aggregated and
>>>> sold to potential advertisers/marketeers.
>>>>
>>>> I still believe it's better to build your own networks - no
>>>> matter   how small, otherwise you're feeding the machine that sells
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> what is happening is like the googleizon  video hat was made about
>>>>> the future.....
>>>>>
>>>>> this is the  interesting fictional but prophetic video
>>>>>
>>>>> EPIC 2014
>>>>> You're about to watch a future history of the media by Robin
>>>>> Sloan   and Matt Thompson, with music by Aaron McLeran. Click
>>>>> here to   watch EPIC 2014! ... www.robinsloan.com/epic/ - 5k -
>>>>> Cached - Similar pages - Note this
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> that is why of  course is good to keep your own servers on line
>>>>> but... USE THEM THE MAINSTREAM ALSO... if you an get content on
>>>>> there    remember it can be used to point back to your own
>>>>> independent server in the notes and  urls with he  video on their
>>>>> page.. ( I keep repeating myself eh?)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ed In a message dated 7/7/2007 12:28:49 P.M. US Mountain Standard
>>>>> Time, and at axxs.org writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06/07/2007, at 6:13 PM, steve at coanews.org wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Check out this video about saving democratic media:
>>>>>> http://democraticmedia.ca/blog-entry/stop-big-media-takeover-vid
>>>>>> eo
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting that you chose to put a video about the big media
>>>>> take over on YouTube. I guess the conversation of late has been
>>>>> discussing the fact that YouTube IS the new big media. I can't
>>>>> entirely explain why but activists really seem to have lowered
>>>>> their guard in terms of using the new corporate media. Obviously
>>>>> it's quite different, corporate media didn't used to distribute
>>>>> almost anyones content but there is a quite disturbing relationship
>>>>> emerging where once all the corporate media did was sell our eyes
>>>>> to advertisers, now they take our content (and our thoughts and
>>>>> feelings) and our social networks and sell our labour (and eyes)
>>>>> to advertisers (or data mine our online personalities for
>>>>> marketing companies).
>>>>>
>>>>> The new corporate media seem to be becoming even more centralised
>>>>>  than the old version. Does any one media company dominate the
>>>>> global TV market to the same extent that Google/YouTube dominate
>>>>> the online video space? A few giant landlords are really starting
>>>>> to dominate this space, they give us a patch of virtual earth to
>>>>> cultivate our content and social networks and take the vast
>>>>> majority of the value for themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because we're such small fish in such a big pond we never seem to
>>>>>  notice they are making so much money from our us, after all we
>>>>> got a global distribution network out of the deal and some pretty
>>>>> cool features alternative media aren't offering, which we're all
>>>>> currently aware of.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's probably a long enough rant for now. Slightly more
>>>>> thought out thoughts along similar lines here
>>>>> http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/andrewl/news/freebeer/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>> And.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> pass it on to every Canadian you know!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
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