[IMC-Video] Democratic Media

Tue Jul 10 00:21:52 UTC 2007

Yup, I agree, and I think FSTV's new online community  
(http://community.freespeech.org) is on it's way to providing a more  
open, yet alternative, non-profit, non-commericial platform.

It's open source and drupal based so other groups can network with  
FSTV (contact me) so that we aren't all recreating the wheel. I think  
would be great if we could harness our resouces towards a united  
platform with different tools developed by different groups etc...

United we stand,
Steve

Quoting reven at riseup.net:

> just wanted to:
> 1. throw in my solidarity for those who also boycott these commercial
> sites and thanks to those working away on alternatives.
> 2. also to point out that one of the main disadvantages of the indymedia
> network through the years has been that the hard-line political stances
> have too often translated into hard-line political content (video or
> otherwise) -- smashing and/or talking heads -- which with all due respect
> as the majority of content, does not exactly help interest new people or
> maintain people's ever shortening attention span. being more welcoming to
> pieces that rely on art, comedy, music, etc. or more long term projects
> that can only be completed with long term support, could go a long way and
> is something these commercial platforms certainly overtake us at as well;
> hopefully a new platform of our own will due some to change this.
> rona
>
>
>
> On Mon, July 9, 2007 3:41 am, and wrote:
>> Hey Steve,
>> nice article. I guess it's a hard to make a call on whether you're
>> subverting or being coopted when you put criticism of big media on big
>> media, is it absorbed/coopted or is it part of a self-distruct mechanism?
>> It's probably both to a greater or lesser degree depending
>> on the video in question.
>>
>> My tendency at the moment is to take a fairly hard-line on these
>> spaces though as I do\n't think they are coming in for any where near the
>> criticism they deserve, almost everyone (including most activists) seem
>> seduced by them. Which brings us back to the technical question/mission
>> again which needs much more effort if it is to produce viable
>> alternatives.
>>
>> Cheers.
>> And.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/07/2007, at 11:42 PM, steve at coanews.org wrote:
>>
>>
>>> he he, funny thing is I've written widely about the new corporate media
>>> thing. Here is a little article I wrote a while ago and little video
>>> too:
>>> http://www.coanews.org/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=1332
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm also involved with FreespeechTv's new online non-profit online
>>> community http://community.freespeech.org
>>>
>>> I use Youtube in some cases when I think it is strategically worth
>>> it - it's definitely a trade off, and I support developing our own
>>> resources, and I am involved in making this happen.
>>>
>>> I agree with most of your points, they mostly echo my own.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting and <and at axxs.org>:
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is an interesting article following similar lines to those
>>>> discussed here
>>>>
>>>> What the MySpace generation should know about working for free
>>>> http://www.re-public.gr/en/wp-print.php?p=138
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 08/07/2007, at 3:52 PM, Michael Eisenmenger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> When YouTube sold to Google for 1.65 billion, that amounted to
>>>>> approx. $5000 per YouTube user. Television has always been based on
>>>>> the model of selling 'viewers' to 'advertisers', now in the online
>>>>> environment,  'users' and content producers' are aggregated and
>>>>> sold to potential advertisers/marketeers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still believe it's better to build your own networks - no
>>>>> matter   how small, otherwise you're feeding the machine that sells
>>>>> you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> what is happening is like the googleizon  video hat was made about
>>>>>> the future.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this is the  interesting fictional but prophetic video
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EPIC 2014
>>>>>> You're about to watch a future history of the media by Robin
>>>>>> Sloan   and Matt Thompson, with music by Aaron McLeran. Click
>>>>>> here to   watch EPIC 2014! ... www.robinsloan.com/epic/ - 5k -
>>>>>> Cached - Similar pages - Note this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that is why of  course is good to keep your own servers on line
>>>>>> but... USE THEM THE MAINSTREAM ALSO... if you an get content on
>>>>>> there    remember it can be used to point back to your own
>>>>>> independent server in the notes and  urls with he  video on their
>>>>>> page.. ( I keep repeating myself eh?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ed In a message dated 7/7/2007 12:28:49 P.M. US Mountain Standard
>>>>>> Time, and at axxs.org writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/07/2007, at 6:13 PM, steve at coanews.org wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check out this video about saving democratic media:
>>>>>>> http://democraticmedia.ca/blog-entry/stop-big-media-takeover-vid
>>>>>>> eo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting that you chose to put a video about the big media
>>>>>> take over on YouTube. I guess the conversation of late has been
>>>>>> discussing the fact that YouTube IS the new big media. I can't
>>>>>> entirely explain why but activists really seem to have lowered
>>>>>> their guard in terms of using the new corporate media. Obviously
>>>>>> it's quite different, corporate media didn't used to distribute
>>>>>> almost anyones content but there is a quite disturbing relationship
>>>>>> emerging where once all the corporate media did was sell our eyes
>>>>>> to advertisers, now they take our content (and our thoughts and
>>>>>> feelings) and our social networks and sell our labour (and eyes)
>>>>>> to advertisers (or data mine our online personalities for
>>>>>> marketing companies).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The new corporate media seem to be becoming even more centralised
>>>>>>  than the old version. Does any one media company dominate the
>>>>>> global TV market to the same extent that Google/YouTube dominate
>>>>>> the online video space? A few giant landlords are really starting
>>>>>> to dominate this space, they give us a patch of virtual earth to
>>>>>> cultivate our content and social networks and take the vast
>>>>>> majority of the value for themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because we're such small fish in such a big pond we never seem to
>>>>>>  notice they are making so much money from our us, after all we
>>>>>> got a global distribution network out of the deal and some pretty
>>>>>> cool features alternative media aren't offering, which we're all
>>>>>> currently aware of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's probably a long enough rant for now. Slightly more
>>>>>> thought out thoughts along similar lines here
>>>>>> http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/andrewl/news/freebeer/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>> And.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pass it on to every Canadian you know!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
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