[IMC-Video] Update Downloads | Money Money Money

[mark burdett]

oops I was doing housecleaning and disabled my filmforge sandbox, but i 
can put it back if people still want to try it (i typically have a few 
dozen test/dev sites going at one time and have to keep it in check ;)

as far as editorial team, it would be great to agree on some things 
like principles/mission statement/editorial policy/etc, there's already 
a lot to work with on docs.indy

these would be written in general terms since the technology behind it 
all is still in development.  in any case, it's important imo for 
technology to support an editorial collective, not just the other way 
around!

i'd support something like "consensus minus one" as a process for the 
group (just one person can't block decisions)

--mark

On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:28:46 -0800, Sasha Costanza-Chock wrote:
> I'd like to participate in a video IMC editorial team!
> 
> 
> I don't know what's so abstract, we have two filmforge sandboxes set up 
> (http://filmforge.indybay.mobi/ and http://filmforge.koumbit.net), and 
> did someone set up the plumi sandbox yet? If so please send the link.
> 
> I also made a mockup that we could use as a guide to skin them: 
> http://wiki.koumbit.net/FilmForge?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ivdn_vapor_screen.jpg. 
> 
> 
> Once both are up and running for a little while, and we've all played 
> around with them, we can discuss and irc meeting to come to consensus 
> about what to use. Then, we can start promoting it widely.
> 
> best,
> 
> schock
> 
> 
> 
> rotesocke wrote:
> > So here I got some for the chicken. Maybe we can make it lay an egg 
> > then? There are 300Eur granted for now...
> > 
> > Chicken:
> > I agree with Ng's argument that we need to see the site alive and have 
> > some nutrition going. Because at the same time should worries - if we 
> > don't get bandwidth for this site, how are we going to get it for 
> > another site - end.
> > 
> > Egg:
> > I do think support will pick up, as soon as a demand for the site is 
> > also stated by it's features. Therefore I support Mick's argument that 
> > it seems to be a desperate adventure to promote a site to users / 
> > videoproducers / moneygivers / techs, if they can't really use it or 
> > don't see(!sic) the use of it. But that is a dead-end
> > 
> > Situation:
> > Why not do both at the same time? We get some to eat for the chicken AND 
> > help it with the egg (instead of talking to the egg about the chicken 
> > and to the chicken about the egg).
> > 
> > (1) Please feel free to contribute to the Imc-Finance request at 
> > http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/ImcVideoFinanceRequest. I will add 
> > some text already used for other finance requests in a few days.
> > 
> > (2) How/where are we going to start a video indymedia editorial team? 
> > Any ideas? What is it going to do? I think it's good to have one, just 
> > in case ;)
> > 
> > 
> > Andr?
> > 
> > 
> > Mick Fuzz schrieb:
> >>> cms's etc. are in
> >>> my opinion in a way useless if we don't get enough
> >>> money (or offers for
> >>> free bandwidth) together to pay the bandwidth needed
> >>> by video.indy
> >>>     
> >> I think we are in a chicken and egg situation. 
> >>
> >> Maybe noone want to get money together for a project
> >> which doesn't fufill what they need. 
> >>
> >> I do share your frustration at the abstract nature of
> >> this project at the moment. I think that you are right
> >> ng , rather than just concentrate on dream wish list
> >> of a video indymedia site we need to get more
> >> practical. 
> >>
> >> But - I do question the value of promoting and paying
> >> for bandwidth for the site as it exists at the moment.
> >>
> >>
> >> Personally I think we can do a LOT without getting
> >> money together for bandwidth. For a start we could
> >> form a functioning video indymedia editorial team, and
> >> pull together a website based on videos that are
> >> already on the net. There are plenty. 
> >>
> >> Then we could form a functioning tech team, a first
> >> project that takes no bandwidth would be to create an
> >> aggregation site that makes the presentation and
> >> searching of videos already on the net. A group of 3
> >> or more people would seem to be desirable for the
> >> stability of the project. 
> >>
> >> We can also work on an upload system that uses
> >> archive.org - this has always been a possibility for
> >> free bandwidth but has never actually been done. How
> >> hard would it be, I wonder, it just looks like
> >> submitting metadata, and file via ftp. 
> >>
> >> http://www.archive.org/help/contrib-advanced.php
> >>
> >> so ng, while i share your frustration I don't think
> >> that Money is really going to get solve all the issues
> >> we have. In fact I would argue that currently, More
> >> Money - Mo' Problems :)
> >>
> >> mick
> >>
> >>   
> >>> so anybody more willing to offer some money?
> >>>
> >>> especially if we want to make the site more
> >>> attractive, using embedded
> >>> videos in flash etc. we will use a hell lot more of
> >>> bandwidth than
> >>> currently with serving only high quality downloads.
> >>>
> >>> so what to do beside finding new cms's and funky new
> >>> ways of
> >>> distributing videos?!
> >>>
> >>> the option to raise the bandwidth on bolobolo is in
> >>> my opinon quite fair
> >>> and cheap. However I think it's reasonable that the
> >>> people hosting
> >>> bolobolo want to be sure that the money for the
> >>> additional bandwidth is
> >>> really coming as they can't pay it on their own.
> >>>
> >>> it was also mentioned that imc-finance can be asked
> >>> to give some money.
> >>> however a request has to be written, who is willing
> >>> to do that? somebody
> >>> as a liason on imc-finance offered to follow the
> >>> request through the
> >>> process and look to pass it. So is there somebody
> >>> willing to write a
> >>> request?
> >>>
> >>> thanks a lot and greets ng
> >>>
> >>> ps: sorry if the mail is offending anybody. However
> >>> I find it quite
> >>> annoying that everybody is complaining about that
> >>> video.indy is/was
> >>> offline and requesting new cms's, as well more/new
> >>> features etc. But
> >>> nobody is willing to help to organise the most
> >>> essential thing for a
> >>> video plattform: a lot of bandwidth! Or even just
> >>> the money for it. just
> >>> my 2 cents on this topic.
> >>>
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