[IMC-Video] [Fwd: Re: jilt's proposal]

[ben]

jilt,

Have you heard off transmission.cc? If not, you should check it out as
a lot of work is being done in the directions you speak of and it
would make sense to collaborate rather than duplicate.

A couple of comments from me.

Documentation...
I did quite a bit of work doing documentation on video.indymedia.org
and on the imc uk video projects pages. A lot of work is now being
done via Transmission on documentation using floss manuals. Personally
I don't think the effort yields much as nobody every seems to have
heard of or found such documentation themselves.

Mobile Publishing
I developed mobile indymedia but I'm not a coder and failed to find
anyone to help make a publishing gateway. Personally (despite being a
film maker) I think it is way more vital that indymedia provides
publishing gateways for text and general multimedia attachments than
specifically for video. In my opinion, indymedia has got really left
behind and is now sadly retty much irrelevant.

Collaborative and Online Video Editing
Been to international gathering of video activists over the last four
or five years and this often comes up. I have seen projects such as
Tapestry demonstrated and been excited by some of the potential but
ultimately I don't see the point. People generally don't collaborate
on video editing and there are major security issues with online
footage sharing. While available bandwidth has increased massively
over the last few years it's not realistic to work with uncompressed
DV footage online and anything else will require post compression and
therefore time and processing power which will put people off
unloading. Personally I really don't see this as a worthwhile place to
put effort.

Collaboration works to some degree in the live face to face
environment of a convergence centre but beyond that it breaks down.

My view is that distribution is key. We don't really have a problem
making videos, we have a problem getting them out of the ghetto and
giving them the audience they deserve while people are moving away
from TV and the broadcast model and have less and less time or
attention span yet greater and greater demand from a wider and wider
variety of video producers and distribution services. I think mobile
and streaming content is key and will be more and more important in
coming years and indymedia hasn't even got the basics yet.

Ben





2008/5/5  <jilt at debord.ortiche.net>:
> ---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
>  Subject: Re: [IMC-Video] jilt's proposal
>  From:    jilt at debord.ortiche.net
>  Date:    Mon, May 5, 2008 9:25 am
>  To:      "Mara" <mara at aktivix.org>
>  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>  > I'm a videographer and editor, so here's my thought on the idea
>  > to build and web 2.0 applicaton for video editing. it does sound
>  > interesting, but in my opinion there is a more urgent need for a decent
>  > linux editing software that can just be downloaded and used the old way.
>  > i have tried working with kino, cinelerra and other programs, but never
>  > got very far. so as editor, i am stuck with proprietary software for
>  > now. a web application also would not so much help with the digital
>  > divide, as a lot of people might be able to download software and
>  > install it on their computer, but are not online for hours on end.
>
>
>  Well I'm talkin' about not just a web 2.0 application in my mail, and I
>  use in my everyday production cinelerra and kino, so probably you have
>  problem of hardware compatibility Mara :)
>  I'm not saying that your work isn't enough open because you aren't used on
>  open source software, people who work on it and me can tell you that is
>  very difficult learning and using a software for wich nobody gives answer
>  to your question, but you have to reach it by you.
>  I'd like people to answer to my proposal of givin' people a tool to
>  collaborate, (documentation, and video upload for mobiles phones, the 3
>  points) 'cause if we'll be able to move in that way, we'll be able also to
>  discuss a standard operations and of tool tha we use for our video to
>  indymedia and to reproduce it on the internet using open source code and
>  defining an interface.
>
>  For example cinelerra has a lot of command running from command line, if
>  we define some standard operation that may be done to videos (such as
>  subtitles as in g8-tv) we can build a simple interface from command line
>  (not even using browser) as freaknet does:
>
>  medialab.freaknet.org
>
>     * Telnet to medialab.freaknet.org
>     * If the above link doesn't work with your browser, try opening a DOS
>  prompt or Unix shell and typing:
>
>         telnet medialab.freaknet.org
>
>     * If that doesn't work either, you could try with this Java Applet
>     * To open a secure session from Windows instead, try downloading and
>  running putty.exe.
>     * We also offer an FTP site, which is also accessible via HTTP.
>
>  We don't need to use the word "web 2.0" or this kind of concept to create
>  something usefull :)
>  People would upload the video and the work on it using telnet for remote
>  shell.
>
>  The best wish I have is to make people able to cover faces and indentity
>  on the videos directly on our (yours) server, this is possible with a lot
>  of software, open and not open , but if we want to manage it as we like we
>  have to use the open ones.
>  I think that givin' people a tool like this would be important during next
>  year g8 in Italy.
>
>
>  ciao
>  jilt
>
>  >
>  > cheers
>  > mara
>  >
>
>
>  The points:
>
>  >>
>  >> This are the numers (and my proposal in short words):
>  >>
>  >> _1 write manuals on how to manage videos during parades
>  >> _2 build an internet interface for pubblishing videos from mobile phones
>  >> _3 build a web 2.0 interactive tool to give chance to use open source
>  >> video editing code directly from the internet.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> thanks
>  >> jilt
>
>
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