Onderwerp : [Imc-vlaanderen]
Answer of indy-ovl to the proposal for the application from imc
libbylibby op skynet.be
Di Nov 4 11:34:26 PST 2003
Schitterend initiatief, ik had al een verslagje naar de women-lijst
gestuurd maar ik was al een paar dingen vergeten. We hebben het
besproken, via de lijst en via irc en we zouden het graag als good
practice en tips op de womens wiki zetten, ik paste mijn teksjte hier
nog even onder. Als dat van jullie af is stuur het dan naar mij, dan
stuur ik het rechstreeks naar de womens list en moeten jullie niet
wachten op moderatie.
Ik ben beretrots op jullie.
This afternoon i have been to the first meeting of a proposed new imc
in Belgium, imc- ovl (oost-vlaanderen, east flanders) . At the moment
its an all boys collective, they do see that as a problem and they were
pretty enthousiatic on discussing our proposal.
They tried to look for a cause as to why women and minorities are
underrepresented and they also pointed at a certain level of agressivity
as one of the probable causes. Agressivity in general, but also within
their own group (this is one of the collectives being born due too
certain problems with/within the be collective) Unhealthy discussions
and lots of agressiveness dominate that discussion, and this pitbull
behaviour is very unattractive to many people, not just women. But it is
true that that is not a wellcoming environement. Women tend to find that
type of macho-affirmation behaviour as very unapealing to say the least.
They name basic curtosy and respectfull communication as an important
point to create an environement where everybody can feel comfortable
in, and feeling comfortable in a group is a reason for people to stay,
especially people who face exclusion in one form or another. But that
doesn't solve the problem of attracting diversity, they formulated a
number of other proposals to deal with that.
They will work on the "look" of the site, logo and colour will be made
more appealing to a larger public, as lots of imc-sites do use strong,
aggressive colours and violent images, breathing some kind of machismo
that will make a lot of people click away from the site at firsts sight.
In their ourtreach they will explicitly mention imc-women and imc-queer
as support groups for women and holebi's and talk about the positive
things women do and the positive role women play within the network. And
it looks like once they get through the process we can expect a few
subscritions to the antipatriarchy list.
Someone raised the issue of what het called "typical male romanticism"
surrounding the large summits, that should have its place in indymedia,
and police violence should be exposed, but there should also be room for
an other way of covering those summits (the example of the disobbedienti
women at the last EU summit in Rome was given). They will strive for a
more diverse coverage to attract more diversity in readers/posters and
have that translated/mirrored in the collective.
One thing lead to another and at a certain point an often forgotten
"minority" got to be discussed, children. A youg dad talked about why
he's envolved in activism and one of the reasons is his young child.
Childrens rights are often trampled and children also should have access
to indymedia to have their voices heard, the whole group agreed on
giving attention to themes that concern children, do a special outreach
efford towards children and make room for features by children for
These were just a few "starter" ideas, they have asked me for an input
of ideas and make a broader sketch of how the womens proposal came to be
and they will continue the discussion on the mailing list to be able to
formulate a wider range of proposals and actions by the next meeting
where they can be discussed.
They're not there yet, but i have a pretty good feeling these guys are
genuinly committed to creating a very wide diversity within their
collective and the fact they took the time for an extensive discussion
three hours into the meeting, after having discussed rahter heavy topics
like the mission statement, edito policy and the POU shows their
concern for the subject.