Onderwerp : [Imc-vlaanderen] ... en kinderen

Ah, speaking of kids: we hebben in Gent in hetzelfde gebouw als Protos de organisatie Kinderrechtencoalitie, die zal ik uitnodigen voor de volgende AV.

Ciao!

M

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 "Temporary list to discuss the proposed new imc: IMC Vlaanderen" <imc-vlaanderen op lists.indymedia.org> wrote:
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>hallo Libby
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>ik ben ook trots op ons :) qua minder agressieve vibes kan dat tellen, pinkje doet wellicht nu een naakte rondedans in Marokko :)
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>Je bent wel nog één ding vergeten: onze loskoppeling van sex en gender. Fundamenteel vind ik dat als je eenmaal werkt rond gender, je de lijn verder trekt dan vrouw en man. We hebben de lijn transseksualiteit neergelegd op de AV, en gezegd dat we daar dieper op door zouden gaan als mogelijke manier om naar deze kwestie te kijken.
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>Dit is een verregaand en allesomvattende aanpak als je het mij vraagt, één die een fundamentele revolutie in ons denken en doen kan teweegbrengen, vooral dan de stap weg van eeuwig conflict vind ik waardevol. 
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>ik meen echter dat we dan allemaal een serieuze vorming van doen hebben, en zou dus willen voorstellen dat we op één van de toekomstige AV's een vorming houden over sex en gender.
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>Tenslotte wil ik wel even melden dat ik het persoonlijk zéér moeilijk heb met klassiek feministische these waarbij de man de chauvinist is en de vrouw geknecht, zoals je dat vaak leest in anarchistische studies. In de realiteit zie ik vaak zelfs het tegenovergestelde. Ik zou er dus voor willen pleiten dat we deze these proberen overstijgen.
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>thanx 
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>M-x
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> libbylibby op skynet.be,	"Temporary list to discuss the proposed new  imc: IMC Vlaanderen"  wrote:
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>>Hallo jongens,
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>>Schitterend initiatief, ik had al een verslagje naar de women-lijst 
>>gestuurd maar ik was al een paar dingen vergeten. We hebben het 
>>besproken, via de lijst en via irc en we zouden het graag als good 
>>practice en tips op de womens wiki zetten, ik paste mijn teksjte hier 
>>nog even onder. Als dat van jullie af is stuur het dan naar mij, dan 
>>stuur ik het rechstreeks naar de womens list en moeten jullie niet 
>>wachten op moderatie.
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>>Ik ben beretrots op jullie.
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>>Groetjes,
>>
>>Libby
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>>Hello Ladies,
>>
>>This afternoon i have been to the first meeting of  a proposed new imc 
>>in Belgium, imc- ovl (oost-vlaanderen, east flanders) . At the moment 
>>its an all boys collective, they do see that as a problem and they were 
>>pretty enthousiatic on discussing our proposal.
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>>They tried to look for a cause as to why women and minorities are 
>>underrepresented and they also pointed at a certain level of agressivity 
>>as one of the probable causes. Agressivity in general, but also within 
>>their own group (this is one of the collectives being born due too 
>>certain problems with/within the be collective) Unhealthy discussions 
>>and lots of  agressiveness dominate that  discussion, and this pitbull 
>>behaviour is very unattractive to many people, not just women. But it is 
>>true that that is not a wellcoming environement. Women tend to find that 
>>type of  macho-affirmation behaviour as very unapealing to say the least.
>>
>>They name basic curtosy and respectfull communication as an important 
>>point to create an environement  where everybody can feel comfortable 
>>in, and feeling comfortable in a group is a reason for people to stay, 
>>especially people who face exclusion in one form or another. But that 
>>doesn't solve the problem of attracting diversity, they formulated a 
>>number of other proposals to deal with that.
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>>They will  work on the "look" of the site, logo and colour will be made 
>>more appealing to a larger public, as lots of imc-sites do use strong, 
>>aggressive colours and violent images, breathing some kind of  machismo 
>>that will make a lot of people click away from the site at firsts sight.
>>
>>In their ourtreach they will explicitly mention imc-women and imc-queer 
>>as support groups for women and holebi's and talk about the positive 
>>things women do and the positive role women play within the network. And 
>>it looks like once they get through the process we can expect a few 
>>subscritions to the antipatriarchy list.
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>>Someone raised the issue of what het called "typical male romanticism" 
>>surrounding the large summits, that should have its place in indymedia, 
>>and police violence should be exposed, but there should also be room for 
>>an other way of covering those summits (the example of the disobbedienti 
>>women at the last EU summit in Rome was given). They will strive for a 
>>more diverse coverage to attract more diversity in readers/posters and 
>>have that translated/mirrored in the collective.
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>>One thing lead to another and at a certain point an often forgotten 
>>"minority"  got to be discussed, children. A youg dad talked about why 
>>he's envolved in activism and one of the reasons is his young child. 
>>Childrens rights are often trampled and children also should have access 
>>to indymedia to have their voices heard, the whole group agreed on 
>>giving attention to themes that concern children, do a special outreach 
>>efford towards children and make room for  features by children for 
>>children.
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>>These were just a few "starter" ideas, they have asked me for an input 
>>of ideas and make a broader sketch of how the womens proposal came to be 
>>and they will continue the discussion on the mailing list to be able to 
>>formulate a wider range of  proposals and actions by the next meeting 
>>where they can be discussed.
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>>They're not there yet, but i have a pretty good feeling these guys are 
>>genuinly committed to creating a very wide diversity within their 
>>collective and the fact they took the time for an extensive discussion 
>>three hours into the meeting, after having discussed rahter heavy topics 
>>like the mission statement, edito policy and  the POU shows their 
>>concern for the subject.
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