[Listwork] [Fwd: Imc-Cyprus subscription notification]
jb at riseup.net
Mon Sep 27 02:31:42 PDT 2004
I find quite laugthable to find expressions like "global trust" and things
like this in your e-mails, as I can't see anything but insults in your
communications with the people of listwork at indymedia.org.
You've been commited to send us e-mails explaining us how evil we are, that
we're possibly "agents provocateurs" and other niceties. Last time you did,
it was because Mailman doesn't support the appropriate charset for greek
mailling lists, if I remember correctly. It's like we're trying every trick
to mess with the archives of the lists you use or something. This is
laugthable, it's a technical problem, not a very simple one and not one that
we're able to solve easily; but it was sufficient for you to put us in
"The Opposition", we eat babies for breakfast, yada yada.
No amount of explanation has been sufficient to make you stop this nonsense,
if that wasn't enougth, you've never followed up with help proposals, I can
only suppose you're preserving your time to write rants or something; I mean,
if you were really interested to solve this bloody charset problem with us,
instead of insulting people, you would do somehing, right ?
Ansti is building a new archival system that may simplify everybody's life
on lists.indymedia.org, including yours (remember the charsets?). He has
subscribed this archival engine to all mailling lists to make things work.
This, indeed, is inappropriate and we should have told people before, right.
This was an error, he and we are deeeply sorry for the confusion. Ansti
knows better than that, but well, it's an error, it happens.
Now, this is no reason to throw things like "The Most Appropriate... for
the Opposition", to declare that he's actually a provocateur and all the
shit you're saying in your e-mail. Who do you think you are ? Will you
send him excuses ? I hope you will; I'm asking you to do.
To some extend, I want to believe that people involved with Indymedia can't
really write e-mails like you did, I'm sure a couple others want to keep
this illusion too, please leave us alone.
On Sun, Sep 26, 2004 at 07:55:36PM -0700, Petros Evdokas wrote:
> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 19:53:40
> From: Petros Evdokas <petros at cyprus-org.net>
> To: ansti at sarai.indymedia.org, imc-cyprus <imc-cyprus at indymedia.org>
> Subject: [Fwd: Imc-Cyprus subscription notification]
> Hello ansti at sarai.indymedia.org
> We just received an automatic notification from the machinery which
> manages our email list (copy below), notifying us that you have
> enrolled yourself in this email group (imc-cyprus).
> We have the settings for Subscription to this list already set to
> requiring Confirmation and Approval before a person joins the list, so
> the fact that you were able to by-pass our settings means that you are
> a person of some significant influence among IndyMedia networks, and
> yet entirely unknown to any of us.
> Also, your address, hosted on the main IndyMedia server domain shows
> that you have some intimate connection to IndyMedia.
> Furthemore, you have enrolled yourself in *many* of the email lists we
> manage, in the same way: by-passing our automatic settings.
> You did all this without communicating with anyone among us, without
> warning, without permission, without observing the simplest guidelines
> of courtesy that's expected among colleagues and comrades. It's no
> wonder that we keep discovering that at the very core of imc there is
> something so rotten that it's unspeakable. Over and over, we keep
> finding that there are individuals entrusted with access to and with
> power to influence the most sensitive technical operations of
> indymedia, who are either totally inappropriate, or The Most
> Appropriate... for the Opposition. I don't know which of the two
> categories you belong with. Who decides that a person like you should
> be entrusted with so much, and have the power to disrupt and poison
> relations among us?
> It's possible you have some excuse, or some hare-brained
> rationalization for what you are doing, but you should know that
> whatever it is, you have violated every sense of co-operation and
> dignified behaviour among us.
> It's no wonder that we keep trying for years now to build trust on the
> global level among the various imc locals and global work- groups but
> it keeps stuck somewhere; it gets torpedoed by villainous attitudes
> such as yours. How on earth are we supposed to trust each other when
> you behave this way?
> Are you interested in communicating with any of us about this?
> member of Cyprus IndyMedia
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