anap at indymedia.org
Fri Nov 12 20:07:21 PST 2004
i can understand Anna perfectly.
with the time spent in defening your bloody right to stay on this list,
maybe one aspiring imc could have been sorted. i was checking the list
looking for updates on what is going on with vienna, which i am supposed
to help and have not been able until now for lack of time, and here i
find people having these, well called, pseudo discussions.
this is a working list, and opinions , discussions, by people who have
no intention of helping new imcs, harm the people who dedicate a few
hours a day to actually 'work'.
i'm really sorry that Anna had to decide to leave. I am not going to be
that drastic; i will simply ignore emails from addresses taht i do not
know from working relationships only from useless rants, although i
would be a lot happier if we could unsubscribe peopel who, after calling
for the roll call, have not stated how much commitment they are happy to
offer to create new imcs, whch is what this list is for!!
i am pretty angry, yes
ps if one of those people defending their right to stay here are willing
to take over the process of imc-vienna, you are (al)most welcome
>[sommaire en francais: je retire de la liste car je veux pas travailler
>comme dans un atmosphere tellement destructve et plain de tensions.
>j'espere que la liste arrive a trouver des solutions comment elle peut
>continuer a faire son travail. je suis tres desolee pour les groups
>erfurt et vienna et j'espere qu'il aurait des autres gens pour les aider
>[zusammenfassung deutsch: ich ziehe mich aus der liste gleich wieder
>zurueck, weil ich in einer derart angespannten und unkonstruktiven
>atmosphaere nicht arbeiten will. ich hoffe, dass es new imc gelingt, die
>differenzen bald zu klaeren und vor allem auch, wie in zukunft
>gearbeitet werden kann. es tut mir insbesodnere leid um erfurt und wien,
>denen ich zusagen gemacht hatte, mit ihrer bewerbung zu helfen und
>hoffe, dass sich schnell andere leute finden.]
>i don't see how i can start working with the new-imc group as it is. i
>think that i probably joined at the worst possible moment. like i said
>i'm not willing to work in an environment where a majority of people is
>part of the list for reasons other than guiding new imc's into the
>network. i personally am subscribed to other lists such as communication
>and process to understand about network issues and have had no problem
>during the past years to access the new-imc archives whenever i needed
>to (both google and new-imc members have been a help in finding what i
>was looking for). of course it is an open process and i am a strong
>believer in the autonomy of lists and groups to decide how they want to
>work. i am also a strong believer in my own autonomy about how i want to
>i will unsubscribe from this one now. i am not willing to get drawn into
>(pseudo?) debates that are in my perceiption moving in the direction of
>flame wars - with people not listening to each other and people who are
>(or seem to be?) not actively involved trying to tell the people who do
>the work how to do it. i honestly hope that my perceiption is wrong.
>i hope this can be sorted in a way that makes it clearer what the list
>and group want to do. actually i'd find it a very constructuve move if
>the people who are not here to help new imc's (at the moment or in the
>future) would make a clear proposal about their ideas what the list is
>for and how they think new-imc should work, considering that during the
>past months apparently it didn't work well and some changes need to
>happen other that 'ok, let's try harder' or 'well, then they will just
>have to wait' - if that much is suggested at all.
>i'm extremely sorry for imc erfurt and imc vienna who both seem to be
>thoroughly confused with their new-imc process and who both asked me to
>help them as they have been waited for months to get accepted for the
>network. esp. for vienna it seems urgent as there is action coming up
>(and has actually started) these days. it would be nice if anyone could
>help them fast.
>i am still willing to start doing that work as soon as the 'how' has
ana. uk. london.
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