[New-imc] Re: IRC meeting

[Jay]

Hi Ana, Clara, Rosa, etc.

I'm really happy that there was an IRC meeting to get new-imc more 
organized.  That's great!  Sorry I wasn't able to make it.  I've been 
staying somewhere lately with really irregular e-mail contact.

Over the last year or so, maybe even two (!), I've been much less involved 
in global Indymedia than I had been.  Been working really hard here in 
Philadelphia on a number of activist projects, and have non-Indymedia 
things happening that have been inspiring as well.

Since I haven't had too much time, I've basically just taken the 
responsibility of responding to all U.S.-based IMCs that fill our their 
form.  I send them general information and offer myself as a point of 
contact until someone else from the new-imc list offers to be their 
sponsor.  Lately I haven't been involved at all in European or Latina 
IMCs.  (I've dabbled a bit in supporting African groups.)

I have not updated the WIKI with any of my information, so shame on 
me!  I'll start to do that.

I would be happy to continue to reply to U.S. groups, and to be a contact 
for people on this list who want to sponsor an IMC but have questions about 
how to do it.  I'm afraid if I commit to more than that I may not be able 
to live up to my promises, which is something I've been very careful lately 
to take into consideration.

I'll do what I can to follow this developing discussion and follow any 
decisions made to help things on new-imc run as smoothly as possible.

With much love and respect,
Jay

At 10/11/2004, you wrote:
>hi,
>
>agree that new-imc meetings should be postponed for now... maybe... just
>a few points, about the log:
>
>
>General points.
>
>1) in order of imporance in my opinion - but you will have to find it at
>the end of the email :-p
>
>2) next irc meeting: do it invite only. If people want to have a global
>discussion about how the network works, they should call for that
>general discussion in other lists, not here.
>
>3) About 'criteria of members': to note that, more and more, global
>tasks are done by people who are fed up with their local collectives but
>do not want to leave indymedia, therefore they get involved globally. It
>is a pattern that has not been worded so far afaik.
>
>4) always check before the meeting that some one is looging. If no one
>can log, go to #tech, for instance (or, may i say, #uk is a good place
>too) and ask for people with a good connection who can log, and invite
>them for this purpose.
>
>Specific points.
>
> ><clampin> something like a newbies mutual help tool
> ><clara> i also think that we need not have a more friendly communication,
> >but i hope that that's easier once we can at least guarnetee that all new
> >collectives at least get a reply
> >
> >
> >
>agree: what we need is peole from the new-imc, to get involved then in
>helping out us 'old' volunteers. If one recommendation to be a new imc
>is to get involved in process list, getting invloved in new-imc list as
>a 'learner volunteer' could be one of them. then the liaison for a
>new-imc would have the 'old' one, and the 'almost-as-newbie-as-herself'.
>But we cant get any more workload than we have, i believe.
>
> ><clara> - updating the wiki: the wiki is kind of messed up, and I think not
> >even
> ><clara> the sponsors of different IMCs use them.
> >
>
>I am using it at the moment...  might do with some clearing but i don't
>find this a necessary priority; rather maybe go to the archive and
>rescue the aspiring imcs that never got an answer? (after ahimsa drama
>is over please)
>
> ><rosabrasil> Well, we may postpone the meeting, but who guarantees that more
> >people will participate in the next meeting?
> >
> >
> >
>wait a few days after the ESF and see how ahimsa issue evolves. I'm sure
>there will be more people, maybe me included. Also a good deal of notice
>would help, maybe 2 weeks notice.
>
>I got an idea: add another step once the indymedia is formed: evaluation
>of the process, so that they can give us feedback. we can even start
>asking now, on this list, on process...
>
> ><clara> so i would prefer not to encourage people to subscribe to it while
> >they are setting up a new collective
> >
> >
> >
>i personally would prefer people not to subscribe at all unless they
>intend to help out with new-imcs.
>
> ><clara> i think by now i'm also a bit tired of all those people who just
> >lurk on lists without commitment
> >
> ><clampin> thats a part of the game :)
> >
> ><clara> no it certainly isn't
> >
> >
> >
>it is on a local imc, and we tend to tolerate it. But it should not be
>and the members of a working group have the right to make their
>communication tools closed - which does not mean non-transparent. Can
>still have a closed list publicly archived.
>
> ><Libby> and newimc is a working group, so the list should be for people who
> >work
> >
> >
> >
>definetely.
>
>And this is the 1) from general:
>
>
>  If you read the log... do you realise that it is 3 women doing the work
>and talking 'to the point' while being distracted, by a some one
>non-gender-specific, who towards the end of the meeting goes...
>
><clampin> lol
>[...]
><clampin> have a nice run, clara
>
>????
>
>maybe new-imc is not a list to discuss gender issues but this is just
>another example of the shit some of us are given without deserving it.
>And a very telling example too.
>
>
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