[New-imc] pete's ideas: having local imcs/regional imcs be sponsors

Jay idiot at jaysand.com
Fri Apr 8 22:21:48 PDT 2005 

Hi Pete and new-imc,

As I understand it, Pete, you're making a number of recommendations.  To 
help focus any subsequent discussion on each of them, I've separated them 
out into two e-mails.

First, you suggest that we put new-imc sponsorship more firmly in the hands 
of local IMCs rather than in the hands of a few individauls on the new-imc 
list.  As one of the individuals who often finds myself in the position of 
working with new-imcs that are too far away for me to meet face-to-face, 
I'm all for that idea.

One of the main reasons I've been working primarily with local IMCs from 
the U.S. lately is that doing so gives me a chance to at least speak with 
them on the phone.  Even that bit of personal contact has helped 
tremendously.  I feel as if people in Europe are best prepared to work with 
european new-imcs, people in Oceania with IMCs in the Pacific, etc.  In 
many ways, that has happened.  I believe, in most cases lately, the new-imc 
sponsors have come from the region of the new-imc.  There has been a 
conscious effort to make this happen.  For example, you can see imc-latina 
working out the details of the situation in venezuela.

The question is whether there is a desire and a way to make this 
regionalization more formal within the new-imc process.  And, whether 
individuals should be sponsors of new-imcs at all, or if this should be the 
role of other local IMCs.

To clarify, are you suggesting that, instead of individuals being sponsors, 
each new-imc find an existing IMC to sponsor them?  That's an intriguing 
idea.  On one hand, that would definitely take the process out of the hands 
of the small number of people in the new-imc group.  On the other, might 
not having to find another IMC to help it before it can enter the new-imc 
process not create an entire new set of barriers for an aspiring imc?  I'm 
not asking this to dismiss the idea. (please forgive me if I'm 
misunderstanding it.)  I'm very much in favor of local or regional IMCs 
being the sponsors of nearby aspiring IMCs, as long as we could find a way 
to do this that does not make it more difficult for an aspiring IMC to join 
the network.

Jay
P.S. By the way, remember, in theory, the new-imc group recommends new-imcs 
to the imc-process list and the real decision happens there.  In practice, 
people on imc-process very rarely question the applications, though that 
has happened, even recently.  Theoretically, and ideally, 
new-imc at indymedia.org isn't decision-making body, though we do make 
decisions within the group over which applications we pass along to 
imc-process.





>I think there are big problems with some folks concept
>of consensus on this list, but I put that aside
>because I feel even more strongly that there are
>serious problems with the New IMC process in
>particular.
>
>The aim of this group is essentially good, but excuse
>me for saying so, the process we are using is
>inherently fucked.
>
>I am good friends with folks out at Big Muddy IMC.
>After the frustration of dealing with your process
>their level of organization went way down.
>
>Practically every applicant has seemed to complain at
>one point in the process or another, and frankly, the
>wider IMC network is not very well represented on this
>working group.
>
>Over all these concerns rises the fact that this a
>very centralized decision making committee in what was
>always concieved as a decentralized network.
>
>I propose a different model.  I propose that the
>burden of proof fall onto either neighboring or
>sponsoring IMC's, this could also include those
>working groups who specialize in setting up IMC's in
>the global south, as long as those folks have prior
>experience in their own IMC's.
>
>THis process would also encourage more connectivity
>between proximate IMC's.  Like Worcester MA could've
>come to us, one hour away, to say hey, help us out.
>And we could have set them up, or, if they decided
>they didn't like us, they could have gone to NYC or
>Montreal, or Western Mass.
>
>The process should also be looser.  Any group serious
>about giving media access to folks who not normally
>have it should be given a chance.
>
>This process would allow for the variations that
>already exist in the network (that already would not
>pass your stringent guidelines).  and allow for new
>forms of IMC's to pop up.  In other words, Innovation
>would be possible.
>
>with any luck, the amount of IMC's being approved
>would jump up to a level more consistent with how many
>start to apply.
>
>-Pete
>
>
>
>--- clara <clara at ifrik.org> wrote:
> > dear all,
> >
> > about 10 minutes after ana send this mail both libby
> > and me got
> > unsubscribed from the new-imc list.
> >
> > Ana, did you unsubscribe us?
> > if so, why did you abuse your power as list admin to
> > do so?
> >
> > for the rest: I would love to see new-imc actually
> > working as a working
> > group, but I will not stay in a group where people
> > are allowed to act in
> > such an hierachical manner.
> >
> > Greetings
> > clara
> >
> > PS:
> > just for clarification: My proposal to unsusbcribe
> > all lurkers from this
> > list was opposed, and I understand and accept that
> > there are different
> > ideas on the whole issue.
> > Libby made an alternative proposal, asking everybody
> > for a more detailed
> > roll call. For pratical reasons that included
> > unsubscribing everybody, but
> > everybody is free to resubscribe immediately. This
> > proposal was put
> > forward, supported by some, opposed by nobody.
> >
> >
> > ana said:
> > >
> > >
> > > Libby wrote:
> > >
> > >> [en] [sp] (automatic translation, sorry)
> > >>
> > >> [en]
> > >>
> > >> Hello everybody,
> > >>
> > >> this is reminder that today is the day for an
> > organised general roll
> > >> call.
> > >>
> > >> For practical/technical reasons everybody will be
> > unsubscribed.
> > >>
> > > what???? i remember this as a proposal that
> > received a LOT of
> > > objections. If this was included in your last
> > proposal, Libby, well I
> > > have to say WELL DONE for obscuring it in such a
> > good way i missed it.
> > >
> > > If i get unsubscribed i will not subscribed again,
> > this is the very
> > > "little" thing i needed to unsubscribe from yet
> > another working group
> > > i'm involved in.
> > >
> > >> Everybody can resubscribe, but in an effort to
> > know who is here, why
> > >>
> > >> they are here and what they can (and want to)
> > contribute in skills,
> > >>
> > >> experiences... we ask for a more detailed roll
> > call.
> > >>
> > >> The information from the roll call will be placed
> > on a wiki page, so
> > >>
> > > I 'did' do a wiki page with the info from the last
> > roll call.
> > >
> > > well, good luck
> > >
> > > ana
> > >
> > >> that we all, as well as all new subscribers can
> > see what kind of \"human
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> *Truncated!*
> > >>
> >
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> > >> we have only downloaded the first few lines from
> > the mail server.*
> > >>
> > >> *Click here
> > >>
> >
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> > >> to download the rest of the message.*
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
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