[New-imc] BLOCK: non-imc's should not sponsor new collectives

[Deja]

Hello,

This is the most rediculous thing that I have ever heard.

"I hearby block Deja as a sponsor for new imc's"

Get over yourself. Do you really think that you have the autority to 
make this decision!?!?
Do you understand consensus process at all? Or is it just petty...

Thats what I thought.

I joined this list in 2001 as a member of the Victoria IMC. I have since 
sponsored Thunderbay, Ottawa and Winnapeg IMC's and remain pretty much 
the only representative from Canada at the global level of the IMC. 
Kamloops is presently working with the Vancouver and Victoria 
collectives on the formation of the BC IMC... which is a 'real' IMC 
backed by the collectives in Vancouver and Victoria (of which I am still 
a member of 'at a distance' assisting with technical and editiorial 
work). At present I am sponsoring the application in Edmonton. I know 
the organizers there, having worked with them at the G8 in Calgary. 
There is no-one else in the network who is able to do the work that I do 
with Canadian IMC's. I think that you will find that I have not, and 
never would, let my personal opinions regarding the attitude of some of 
the members of this list affect my ability to guide new-imc's into the 
network. If you take a look at the IMC's that I have brought into the 
network you will notice that they all have strong collectives and solid 
editorial policys.

There is only one reason that Kamloops withdrew its application, and 
that is that Clara does not understand enough English to comprehend the 
wording of our editorial policy. Our application was a valid one, this 
is obvious as EVERYONE ELSE on this list supported it exept for her. The 
application was put on hold to establish a 'cooling off' period before 
deciding how to move forward. At that time Clara was, ironically, not a 
member of the Netherlands IMC.

It is clear that Clara is not a positive force in this network right 
now. She is doing nothing but shooting down peoples ideas in the most 
unconstructive language, censoring debate, supporing disaffiliations, 
kicking people off of mailing lists and fighting petty battles with 
anyone who won't conform to her idea of what the network should be. She 
is acting as a divider and not a builder of this network... but like I 
need to point that out.

On another note, is this a block, or a proposal? You can't block 
something that hasn't been proposed, and as of yet the Edmonton 
application is not active on this list. And really, like it is for you 
to decide who is 'appropriate' for them as a sponsor. Would anyone else 
have been able to put the person who filled out that application in 
touch with Waldamir? Do you even know who that is?

Thankfully, it can safely be assumed that this will fade into the 
archives like so many other things. I have no doubt that if it does 
persist I will have no trouble flooding this list with letters of 
support for me and my work with IMC.

But thanks for thinking of me Clara,

(BTW, your sig is a cliche... try *living* it sometime...)

Deja


clara wrote:

>hi,
>i raised my objections earlier, but since there was now reaction, I hereby
>want to phrase this as an official block.
>
>I hereby block Deja as a sponsor for new imcs.
>Deja from Kamloops is from a group that have decided to stop their own
>application as an IMC a couple of months ago (even though he uses the term
>"IMC Kamloops").
>
>New-imc is a working group to help new collectives to join the Indymedia
>network. This cannot be done by groups or individuals who have decided not
>to be part of the Indymedia network.
>
>I think everything else would be unfair to the collective that is starting.
>
>love and solidarity
>clara
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