[New-imc] BLOCK: non-imc's should not sponsor
new collectives(Official Response)
ana
anap at indymedia.org
Sun Feb 27 18:58:59 PST 2005
i agree.
ana
Jay wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> While I agree with the idea of making sure the new-imc working group
> list is populated by people who are actively interested in the work
> we're doing here (I like the idea of regular roll calls, though I hate
> the world "purge" :))), I disagree with the strict concept that only
> people who are currently active in local IMCs should be able to
> participate in that work.
>
> Yes, I believe that new-imc volunteers should have active experience
> working in their local IMCs. I can't imagine how someone would be
> able to really help a group through the new-imc process without an
> understanding of what s/he is helping them towards. I agree that the
> new-imc group should prioritize sponsors who are currently active in
> local IMCs.
>
> However, there are also some people who want to participate in the
> working group who have been involved with local IMCs in the past and
> have helped new-imcs through the process but aren't currently involved
> with a local IMC. This may be because the person in question has
> moved to a new city and hasn't gotten involved locally yet or is
> working/studying/temporarily living in a place where there's not yet
> an IMC. For a long while, before I moved to Philadelphia, I lived in
> a place where there was not, and still is not, a local IMC, but I
> still felt able to be involved in global IMC organizing. So perhaps
> I'm a bit sensitive to this.
>
> As for Deja specifically, he has been involved with the new-imc
> working group for a long time, has worked with his own local IMCs in
> Victoria and BC and has helped several IMCs into the network. The
> situation around the Kamloops application was not a positive one for
> many reasons and there are obviously still bad feelings. Also, to
> put it mildly, there is a "diversity of opinions" within the working
> group about some of the most basic things that go into a local IMC. I
> don't think that kind of disagreement, in and of itself, is a bad
> thing. Disagreements over what makes a local IMC viable will keep us,
> as a working group, on our toes.
>
> My feeling is that if Deja is familiar with the organizers of an
> aspiring IMC in western Canada he is in a better position than any of
> us to help him through the process. We will all be here watching the
> e-mails come through the new-imc list regarding all new IMCs, so as
> long as our list organizers maintain transparency we should be able to
> keep up to date with one another. And, especially because we're
> wanting for volunteers, I think we should find a way to be as
> welcoming as possible to anyone who wants to participate.
>
> My two and a half cents,
> Jay
>
> At 2/25/2005, Deja wrote:
>
>> clara wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>> i raised my objections earlier, but since there was now reaction, I
>>> hereby
>>> want to phrase this as an official block.
>>>
>>>
>>> I hereby block Deja as a sponsor for new imcs.
>>>
>> Point of Protocol : Proposals are things that can be blocked. My
>> decision was to act in accordance with my duties, duties that I was
>> asked by this list to take on and have acted on for three years now.
>> The proposal can be seen here:
>> http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/new-imc/2001-November/001263.html
>> My reponse to Jays request:
>> http://archives.lists.indymedia.org/new-imc/2001-November/001265.html
>>
>> Clara is not so clearly making a proposal here. This proposal is to
>> 'fire' me as a volunteer on this list. Clara herself was not a member
>> of her local collective for a time, and used the questionable (and
>> clearly not local) bio-tech imc as her validation for being involved
>> at the global level.
>>
>>> Deja from Kamloops is from a group that have decided to stop their own
>>> application as an IMC a couple of months ago (even though he uses
>>> the term
>>> "IMC Kamloops").
>>>
>> I am also a member of the Victoria and BC IMC collectives and have at
>> times also worked with the Vancouver and Alberta collectives. As I
>> said earlier, I am more than willing to 'prove' this to you by asking
>> members of those collectives to write here and verify that fact.
>> Somehow this provoked accusations that I intended to 'Spam' this list
>> and that I was engaging in 'moral blackmail' and to a further
>> proposal that this list be moderated. I will respond to that proposal
>> in a seperate email.
>>
>>> New-imc is a working group to help new collectives to join the
>>> Indymedia
>>> network. This cannot be done by groups or individuals who have
>>> decided not
>>> to be part of the Indymedia network.
>>>
>>>
>> I have never decided to disaffilate myself from the network. If I
>> had, I would have unsubscribed from this list and imc-communication.
>> Our application has been withdrawn, not closed. Mike Rosenberg is the
>> liason and is aware of the status of the application, Clara is not in
>> a postition to comment on this.
>>
>>> I think everything else would be unfair to the collective that is
>>> starting.
>>>
>> So to clarify. It seems that Clara is proposing that people who are
>> not members of local collectives should not be allowed to sponsor IMC's.
>>
>> As a standing member of this list since 2001, I block this proposal.
>>
>> This is not an attempt to make the network work better, it is a
>> vindictive attack against an individual on this list designed to
>> silence dissent. It is clearly against the the values of this network
>> to censor, silence or attempt to marginalize dissent or make it
>> illegal in any way. I have a right to express my resistance against
>> those who would attempt to place undue restraints on the autonomous
>> collectives in this network or thier memberships. I will continue to
>> do so.
>>
>> Silence is Defeat
>>
>> Deja
>>
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