[New-imc] relations between new-imc and the imc-palestine new candidate grouping, and my personal role in it

[Anarcho Babe]

Well, I don't think it is the right time for that discussion now.

Petros, please try to do something destressing and pleasurable for the day  
like going swimming or cinema or hang out with friends.
Please do avoid anything crazy.
I appreciate you and your work and I am very impressed by the amount of  
thoughts and sympathy and work you have shown in the past.
Indymedia is a constant love-hate relationship, where we are getting  
pushed to our limits of bringing out the best and worst we humans have to  
offer in communication.
But I am sure, if you would meet in person you would probably really like  
ach other and get on well.

  Let us continue the discussion when things have calmed down a bit.
If people, especially volunteers, try to work in a warzone, then often  
there is a lot of frustration, hypersensitivity, anger of the personal  
helplessness, sleep deprivation, high levels of anxiety and similar. We  
all say and write things in such situation we later regret.

I do think everybody wants the best and at the moment I fail to see the  
practical relevancy of the discussion and the main underlying point.
Feature looks good by the way. Am curious to see some more reporting about  
the suspected chemical weapons. It would be good to have a doctor  
confirming that the extend of internal injuries is unusual and new for  
conventional weapons. Pictures of patients would probably violate  
confidentiality but might make more impact.
But apart from publicising news, we are still pretty helpless as indymedia  
volunteers.

The recent events just illustrate that an imc palestine would be very good  
for the international indymedia community. I don't know if it would help  
with things on the ground though. Sometimes and in some situations other  
media outlets might be more useful though.
This is for the people there on the ground to decide what they want to do  
and how to handle it. Blogs are much better for expressing  subjective  
impressions maybe, but only everything together can only puzzle together  
and sum up a truth.

Discussions are always helpfull to get a better understanding towards each  
other, but in stress situation can be quite annoying.

Also the G8 is on this weekend.

So let's calm down a bit over the opinions and feelings and focus on the  
practical support we could give.
Discussion may best be held when the danger of imediate attacks and  
threats has passed.

see you later
Ulla





On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 04:33:46 +0100, Petros Evdokas <petros at cyprus-org.net>  
wrote:

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> Friends,
>
>
> I have been stunned with the level and quality of bile I see unfolding
> in the last few hours in the context of our efforts to support the
> rejuvenation of imc-palestine.
>
> I have become very upset with the personal attacks that seem to be
> catalyzed and orchestrated by Jenka's careful and guiding presence.
>
>
> If you are not familiar with recent publications on the subject, please
> read this:
> [IMC-Palestine] [New-imc] palestine imc / update from Jenka
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-palestine/2006-July/0714-pq.html
>
>
> I feel a shame and a sense of injustice and anger so deep I can not
> describe to you.
>
> I know that I am dangerous to myself and to others if I respond in the
> state I am right now. I will not respond for a few days.
>
>
> I would like you to know that I'm nearly fifty years old - I've been
> able to survive all these decades in the Movement because I spent the
> first decade of my life active in politics while growing up and learning
> all about reality while doing resistance movement work in the Middle
> East. I know exactly what it means when, in a situation where a lack of
> trust and bad reputation can get a person killed, there's someone
> carefully sowing exactly that kind of mistrust.
>
> I'm going to protect myself, indymedia, my collective and my loved ones
> by navigating this new situation very carefully. The first few days of
> this I am not going to do or say anything about it. I'm hoping others -
> you, perhaps - will.
>
> But I also would like you to know that I'm going to be taking some very
> unusual measures at this point.
>
>
> If my comrades and I find out that this recent sowing of mistrust and
> divisiveness are deliberate actions (instead of just an irresponsible
> fool's blather), neither the Middle East nor North America are going to
> be big enough for the perpetrators to hide in. I guarantee you that, and
> I hardly ever in my life speak this way.
>
>
> Before I say another word on this subject, I would really appreciate if
> some of you contact me, either in public, on the new-imc list, or in
> private.
>
> I would like you to know that I am not going to be doing anything rash,
> but what is happening right now has just opened a battle within
> indymedia that might rip open a whole lot more than anyone might imagine.
>
> I'd appreciate some real feedback.
> Petros
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