[New-imc] You have been unsubscribed from the IMC-Palestine mailing list (fwd)
boud at riseup.net
Sun Jul 16 14:35:14 PDT 2006
hi new-imc, imc-palestine,
petros - were you removed from the imc-palestine list as well?
To the imc-palestine collective:
The fact that one of your admins took a secret, non-consensus decision
to unsubscribe me from your mailing list is a sign that you, as a
collective, use something like majoritarian decision-making processes
and cannot tolerate - as a collective - questions or criticism. Autonomy
is one thing - and in indymedia we are very strong on autonomy. But
excluding people and becoming angry and emotional in order to avoid
discussing issues is not, IMHO, very constructive.
If you really want to exclude me from the list, that is your
choice. Personally, i would suggest that you at least discuss this
decision publicly on your list - george (abunimir) said that he *was*
still interested in indymedia, so whether you all agree on this type
of decision is unclear. If there is consensus, then there is consensus.
But there is a difference between a de facto majority vote to remove
someone "asking difficult questions" and a true consensus.
Of course, if this is a simple mistake, then please inform me.
For me personally to be involved in trying to help imc palestine get
organised is not that important. My understanding at the moment is that
thanks to jenka's inaccurate description of the situation, several
palestinians have got confused about what the issues are - including
the major meta-issue, which is that jenka said she would be the new-imc
helper, but she has not done any moderating or summarising of the
concerns which need to be involved.
i also think that it's clear that if jenka+george want to propose IMEMC
(it seems without PNN now?) to the network without going through the
normal new-imc organising process, and be accepted as a hierarchical,
not-so-open collective due to the difficulties of the local situation,
then that's up to the network to decide - but in that case new-imc would
have to give a clear warning about our concerns. If IMC Cyprus agrees
with petros, then it would probably block the proposal, but certainly,
i don't see any of us as individuals in new-imc trying to block it.
i would also suggest at least a two-week deadline, since it would be a
rather controversial proposal. Maybe accepting hierarchical,
not-so-open groups in "difficult" countries is a necessary
intermediate step in indymedia. On the other hand, accepting just one
palestinian activist group while excluding other palestinians, partly
on the basis of pressure from that group and claims about "why all this
bureaucracy" and avoiding the issues, might be risky.
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