[New-imc] the current status of darwin

Thu Sep 7 01:01:03 PDT 2006

we do not have to obey perth imc's dictates - (autonomy) 

  so the removal of our site and domain by perth imc because we refused to meet with people who had lied and threatened our members at our home - (admitted) - was a clear breach of our rights under the POU.

  None of our collective associated with the two expelled people for 4 months prior to the meet where they were expelled - Fiona and Vikki continued to disassociate for a further 2 months until Fiona lied due to personal spite.

  http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Gary_Meyerhoffs_NAP-DIM_collective_lied.htm

  Andrew and Takver (MIM - melbourne) seem too biased to admit this reality.

  Takver has spouted a load of selective crap that has been debunked dozens of times - is he simple or too hate/ego-filled to reason?

  We have had our domain removed (lost by the people we expelled) returned and removed again with no explanation.

  We are putting up another site today - as our axxs site was dehosted for protesting the use of images of dead and battered Aboriginal people on axxs to harm and attack our collective.

  An Aboriginal org is currently investigating our claims 

  Takver - your lack of research and bias are evident - Nigel (MIM) has been involved from the beginning - if he feels there is anything that hasn't been refuted - we'll be happy to answer HIS unbiased questions.

  http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/display/21809/index.php

  You talk absolute rubbish - Fiona and VIkki lied - get over it Takver. 

  Viki and Fiona worked with David and Mindy for six months - no probs until it suited Fiona to lie in the ugly manner she has...

  http://lists.cat.org.au/pipermail/imc-oceania/2005-March/002583.html

  Note the lack of I and M (expelled people) in the collective? (link above)

  I'd strongly suggest you stop repeating your fucking lies on the www.

  Your refusal to accept that Aboriginal people can make decisions is a classic White Australian prejudice - Stacy (hardly an ally) confirmed that David and Mindy were totally aware of events. An unnecessary 'investigation' by people from NSW (who refused to meet our collective - as agreed) based on their racist paternalism. 

  David has been active for decades - http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Bill_Day_Thesis.c.htm

  http://www.abc.net.au/message/tv/ms/s1385774.htm

  This whole experience has been totally insulting to our Aboriginal members.

  No-one listened to them. No one wants to acknowledge their accusations of racism and paternalism - echoed by others including Nigel of MIM.

  Once again - get Nigel to help you Takver - because all of your drivel has been refuted dozens of times. 

  You need to rely on hearsay, OMMISSION and lies as your 'evidence'.

  http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Gary_Meyerhoffs_NAP-DIM_collective_lied.htm

  If we were not afilliated - why were MIM trying to disafilliate us? 

  There has been no disafilliation process involving our collective - and the latest attempt by MIM failed.

  arafura are blocked by the DIMC

  we will not be intimidated - (stalking - at our homes and in the streets) into accepting a collective - 'ararfura' (obviously unrepresentative and defunct) ararfura.axxs.org/ formed to damage indymedia in our region - precedents wiki-imc.

  The arafura site has hosted my work - plagiarised and altered to provoke reaction.

  It hosts little but our work

  mick DIMC

  meeting minutes later - busy

  Re: Meet - I can state now that the "hebrew" remarks directed at Andrew Lowenthal (however intended) were not endorsed by any other collective member including myself.
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John Milton <john at johnmilton.ca> wrote:
  Hi And:

I need to begin by saying that while I am a member of "new imc" 
everything that follows is no more than my opinion / understanding and 
that I'm not in any way speaking officially on behalf of "new imc" here.

O.K., if that that sentence gave you the idea that this situation is 
complex and heated right now then all I can say is I agree with you. 
I'll also be interested in hearing what others here hopefully have to 
say in response to your query because it's far from clear to me, and I 
have spent some time trying to archive that clarity.

My understanding is that round about the time that Darwin (I'll call 
them Old Darin from here on) split into 2 collectives, one of which 
continues to identify as Darwin (I'll call them New Darwin), and the 
other as Arafura the folks at Perth, who had been hosting the Old Darwin 
site found themselves unwilling to continue doing that. Thus 
Darwin.indymedia.org continues to be a valid domain name, and is still 
on the cities list pointed right now to I.P.: 58.7.0.146 which is host: 
dsl-58-7-0-146.wa.westnet.com.au but all that is there is a splash page 
confirming that the site is no longer hosted.

Now in order for New Darwin to get a site back on line 2 things would 
need to happen:
1) They would need to find a new web host
2) They would need to get the Indy Global DNS folks to point their URL 
to that host.

I assume that (1) is not the problem, they seem to have access to 
hosting resources and I know offers have been made to them from within 
the Indy community to host them.

But (2) really is. The folks within Indy Global who manage DNS 
assignments will only switch a DNS pointer if "imc process" is not in 
disagreement, and "imc process" in turn looks to "new imc" for proposals 
regarding the approval of new cities, which implies changes to the list 
/ dns work.

So, there has been no official disaffiliation of Old Darwin, but the 
Darwin site is now "dark" because it has been dehosted, New Darwin can't 
get darwin.indymedia.org pointed to their site because the Indy DNS 
folks want the o.k. from "imc process" (a situation that angers some of 
them greatly), and so, until that changes it has been claimed, by New 
Darwin and others that this amounts to defacto disaffiliation, since 
they, it seems to me, continue to see themselves as a continuation of 
"Old Darwin" and insofar as the use of a "XXX.indymedia.org" domain is a 
major benefit of affiliated status.

So, there we are. Some are acting as if the way to proceed is to treat 
New Darwin and Arafura "equally", as new collectives, and require them 
both to be approved by "new imc" and proposed to "imc process" before 
either of them get a site / get a site back, others in "New Darwin" and 
elsewhere feel that since "Old Darwin" was never disaffiliated "New 
Darwin" is still entitled to a pointer to it's site because "its still 
IMC Darwin and Darwin has never been disaffiliated".

And to top it all off there are those who don't want New Darwin to have 
anything to do with Indymedia until Mr. Lambe is expelled from that and 
any other collective, and are acting accordingly, on "new imc", "imc 
process", and elsewhere.

With process like this who needs the FBI? and it's only taken us 6 years 
to dig ourselves in this deep, incredible but there ya go.

Hope thats all clear ;)

and wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm sorry to be continuing on with this, I'm sure you are all as 
> tired of it as I am. I however need some clarifications from this group.
> 
> I was recently pointed to this decision my new-imc
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/new-imc/2006-May/0527-g6.html
> 
> It appears new-imc already considers darwin to be disaffiliated.
> 
> Can someone please explain to me
> 
> 1. why this never went to imc-process for official confirmation and 
> removal of darwin from the cities list?
> 2. why no one told us this explicitly when we made the proposal to 
> imc-process for disaffiliation?
> 
> Thanks.
> And.
> Melbourne IMC
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