[New-imc] Comments on version 0.5 and 0.6: PROPOSAL (DISCUSSION phase)
john at johnmilton.ca
Mon Sep 11 06:09:12 PDT 2006
With regard to versions 0.5. and 0.6:
I see these as reading very differently from what I put forward in 0.4
to the point were they no longer speak my mind.
The essence of what I was trying to say in 0.4 was that, as new
applicants, Arafura and Darwin should not yet be granted the things that
approved (by new imc process) collectives have, but also that they must
be treated equally and thus have all the things that all prospective
applicants have, like the ability to participate fully in mailing lists.
The proposed removal of that second part in ver. 0.5 for me changes the
balanced nature of the idea I was trying to get across, for me it
results in a statement that places much more emphasis on the "can't
haves" side than I intended.
To be clear about my position regarding mailing lists lists:
I think the "autonomy" principal implies:
- That collectives, prospective or approved, have the right to chose who
they will to speak for them on lists, other things being equal.
- That lists have the right to chose for themselves what their list
membership rules are going to be, including banning folks who break
those rules if the list follows the processes that they have defined
that leads to that decision.
- That "new imc", "imc process", or anyone else outside of list should
not be able to dictate to a list that it will set aside a ban that they
may have imposed.
In the case where a collective wishes their spoke to a particular list
to be someone who has been previously banned on that list the collective
needs to select another spoke. This is because all else is not equal in
this case. The right of a collective to participate in a particular list
does not extend to the point where it can demand to be able to breech
the measures the list has put in place to prevent the list from being
seriously damaged by those who are either incompetent, or actively
malicious, with respect to their conduct on the list.
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