[New-imc] [imc-darwin] on the issue of the statement on darwin and arafura, usage of the word "split"

Fri Sep 15 18:57:36 PDT 2006

It appears I'm being misrepresented.
I have never described Andrew as racist. While I have suspected that "small r racism" *may* have been a factor during this pathetic affair, it is absurd to suggest - given the evidence available - that any of the individuals involved are being motivated by racism. 
In fact, given the evidence available, it would appear that any racism which has been projected is eminating from other quarters. The disgraceful "Poor little Hebrew Boy" comment - which I'll be firing upon in the near future - has not been censured by the DIMC. I would ask "why not?", except that the answer is provided implicitly by the persistant use of terms like "Juden proposal".
    While I have serious concerns about Andrew's attitude throughout the DIM debacle, to seriously compare him to the Nazis and the DIMC to those they victimised is so ridiculous that it is quite amazing that the analogy is still being utilised in ostensibly serious discourse. It represents a significant misunderstanding as to what Nazism is really about and who the *real* Nazis are today. 

                                                        Nigel

mick lambe PARIAH <pariahnt at yahoo.com> wrote: There was no "split" - despite fiona's lies which were exposed when her handwritten minutes were found. 

  http://melbourne.indymedia.org/uploads/rough_draft_of_dim_minutes_06_02_05.jpg

  No-one in our collective would even associate with M & I for six months - they were expelled for good reason.

  http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Gary_Meyerhoffs_NAP-DIM_collective_lied.htm

  The initial two expulsions were carried out by 'arafura' members Fiona and Viki Z - so the 'split' spin disintegrates accordingly.

  Fiona and Viki were then expelled for lying to the IMC. They chose these unethical  tactics that made expulsion necessary - not us.

  Sydney coordinated the lies from 'arafura' into a race/hate campaign on their site that went on for months. Entire articles and threads were devoted to hate/race attacks against the DIMC and presented as "news".

  http://images.indymedia.org/imc/sydney/did_mick_and_dave_sit_around_and_let_this_happentdwu3j.jpg

  Caption - "did mick and dave sit around and let this happen?"  One of many.

  Our campaign to neutralise these race/hate campaigns was successful - but the fact remains of evident bias against the DIMC and myself from the Oz imc.

  A bias that saw the NZ indy site host a particularly ugly article and thread using images of our dead and battered  Aboriginal friends to harm us.

  Juden proposal

  This proposal follows an attempt to disafilliate and maginalise an anti-racism activist (myself) by Andrew Lowenthal of MIM, described as "racist" by our collective and Nigel of MIM. He certainly ignored our Aboriginal member's testimony.

  "Any collective wishing to call itself Darwin Indymedia would therefore require, as part of it's constitution, to exclude this individual (mick lambe) and would automatically forfeit it's place as an IMC if he were ever to become a member." [1] 

  This proposal is now revamped into a less obvious attack on our autonomy - but remains as paternalistic and insulting. It ignores our right to make our own decisions and the obvious lack of local grassroot support for this interference. 

   The 'proposal' ignores statements of support by our collective and their ratifying of the expulsions

  http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/resolve/2006-March/0329-uc.html

  The new-imc are now insisting we are 'disafilliated'. 

  Biased findings and abuse of process by biased people.

  The DIMC have never taken part in any disafilliation 'process'. Boud, Petros and Anarchobabe (new-imc) have all stated the DIMC are afilliated and therefore not answerable to new-imc.

  They can deny that here.

  The involvement of new-imc was a tactic used by Stacy Scheff to imply our collective had somehow lost their right to a domain and afilliation status for reasons never explained.

  We have never conceded perth imc's right to seize our site and give it to people we had expelled - nor has anyone successfully defended this breach of our rights.

  http://perthimc.asn.au/index.php?action=newswire&parentview=12980

  A person who was hosting race/hate campaigns against the DIMC on sydney.indymedia has no right to judge our collective, dictate our disafilliation status or needlessly involve the new-imc.

  http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/11/98524.php

  We expelled people to keep indymedia credible - people who have continued to harass and intimidate our people and tell lies - as pointed out by petros.

  We will not be part of  a network that includes people expelled by the DIMC and set up as a 'collective' by the sydney and melbourne imcs to control indymedia in this region.

  As the demonstrably biased sydney and melbourne imcs realise. 

  The new-imc's 'disafilliation by stealth' which infers our (then) mainly Aboriginal collective lied about the expulsions - is absurd and contradicted by Stacy Scheff who met with David and Mindy.

  The opportunistic interference of sydney and melbourne to attack our collective and trample our rights is further evidence of "bias". As is their support of the unrepresentative and "defunct" (petros, new-imc) arafura collective which seems to exist mainly to mirror or plagiarise/mock our work.

  why would the DIMC accept biased judgements based on lies and false accusations from people who  lied and acted to harm us - and have continued to do so since?

  we see no 'process' to "disafilliate" - nor have we been included in such a "process".

  The previous attempt to 'disafilliate' us failed - so you are opposing current consensus, while ignoring earlier proposals to reinstate our domain by Nigel of MIM.

  That's because you are biased and autocratic. Our collective consensus supported by petros, nigel and others.

  mick DIMC
  __________

Petros Evdokas <petros at cyprus-org.net> wrote:
  boud at riseup.net wrote:

> Well, i have no idea whether the SF split was mostly due to local
> factors or  external pressures. i still don't understand how "split"
> is a worldview, except as what seems to me to be an objective way
> of describing what happened. It's not a *complete* way of describing
> the events - which is maybe what you are uncomfortable with?

Thanks for addressing this Boud. I don't seek to convince anyone, but 
only to add transparency to the dialogue. What I wrote earlier was one 
way for me to be extending more about my orientation, so that our work 
can be more easily placed on the landscape among the many and various 
views on the issues.

Also, there's no real need to go into details, or to discuss finding a 
complete way of describing what happened in and around Darwin, but if 
you think it's necessary, I'm open to it. Perhaps after we finish with 
this leg of statement building, so as to avoid more  tensions.

Thanks,
Petros
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