[New-imc] [www-features] Atlantic.indymedia.org

Wed Apr 11 14:43:23 PDT 2007

hi new-imc,

Do we have someone from NE N.America who can help IMC Maritimes reorganise?
Or can help them declare IMC Maritimes closed to imc-process and then go 
through the full new-imc process as a new (newly organised) IMC?

hi duane,

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Duane Rousselle wrote:

> You're right about the geographical regions covered by the "atlantic"
> region; it's quite extensive.  What I'm really looking to do is to
> create an alternative to the current maritimes indymedia site.
> Unfortunately quite a few of us are angry about the current moderator --
> he filters out a lot of the important news, and he won't allow
> volunteers to help him.  It's quite the story, but I'll save that for
> another time.  I wonder if there is an alternative to maritimes . . as a
> subdomain.

The new-imc working group is for creating new people collectives, not
for changing websites, nor for solving internal conflicts in local
indymedia collectives.

Changing your domain name just because editorial control has been
monopolised by one person is not really a useful way of solving the
conflict. Moreover, it will not solve the problem at all: if you keep
the same physical server and just change the domain name, that same
person will then still retain editorial control.

Even more importantly, i think that if a collective is editorially
controlled by a single person, and the rest of the collective wants to
reorganise, then your first obligation is probably to declare that to
the network - a webserver controlled by a single person is not an
indymedia website - and probably get some tech help from the tech
network and people help from (preferably) relatively local people
(e.g. from North East North America).

My suggestions (as just one new-imc volunteer not living in N.America):

TECH:
Email  imc-tech at lists.indymedia.org and/or ask on the channel #sf-active
on  http://chat.indymedia.org   to say that one person is monopolising
your site and you want access given to some other people from the collective.

Your server looks like an sf-active site probably at the San Francisco CCP
(computer colocation place) and run by linefeed.org people. i'm sure they
will be glad to open up editorial control more widely.

PEOPLE:
It's up to (collective) you to decide if (collective) you are able to
reorganise as a horizontal collective without "formally" (it's not really
that formal) going through the "new-imc process" - in which case you
only need to convince the people running your server that you are 
continuing to function and who are a bunch of people who can be trusted
with editorial passwords. Or else (see above), i think that before asking
to reorganise as e.g. "Canada Atlantic" or "Maritimes" or whatever regional
name, you should first take a local (preferably consensus, or consensus
minus one if it's really just one person monopolising) decision to declare 
IMC Maritimes closed/non-existent/something similar and email that to
imc-process at lists.indymedia.org.  And then you can ask again at new-imc
and hopefully someone relatively local will help talk you through the
organising process. If you are well-organised locally and autonomous and
comfortable with email communication, then being accepted by the network 
is relatively easy (though usually it's not that easy).

You can find archival copies of new-imc organising documents here:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowTo

The twiki (docs.indymedia.org) is out of order right now, but you can
find an archival copy of each individual document using a similar URL.

BACKGROUND:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050408200749/http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/ChronologyOfNewIMCs

Apparently IMC Maritimes was accepted into the network on 13 March 2001.
6 years is probably enough time to go through a fresh organising cycle!

Just as background, i guess this is one of the recent 
emails revealing problems in the collective:
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-maritimes/2006-August/0809-sv.html

Anyway, there are some N.America people in the new-imc group - hopefully
one of them will help you further (though IMHO you should probably 
start on tech contacts without waiting - see above).

solidarity
boud (new-imc, imc-pl, imc-pl-torun)

> Thanks for your email,
>
> -duane
>
> boud wrote:
>> hi duane,
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Petros Evdokas wrote:
>>
>>> Duane Rousselle wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello there,
>>>>> I was wondering if it would be possible to get the subdomain >
>>> atlantic.indymedia.org?  A bunch of us want to create a new IMC in
>>> the > atlantic region.
>>
>> i would say the first thing is to see if existing IMCs in the Atlantic
>> region (North America, South America, Europe, Africa)
>> really all agree, and probably at least english + spanish + french
>> would be minimum multilinguality for communication, maybe also german
>> and one slavic language.
>>
>> We probably have 40-80 or so existing IMCs which could more or less be
>> considered to be in the Atlantic region.
>>
>> And then decide in what way you (we) want to organise - maybe just do
>> RDF feeds of the local IMCs?
>>
>> Given that probably a third to a half of all IMCs are arguably in
>> the Atlantic region (NATO+SATO without the TO?), this would be a
>> rather major undertaking, but i assume that your "bunch" includes
>> people from most of these 40-80 IMCs. (However, AFAIK you have not
>> contacted IMC Poland, although Poland can be considered to be in the
>> North
>> Atlantic - at least, Poland is in NATO. Also i don't remember your
>> group contacting the imc-europe mailing list, so i would suggest you
>> do that if you're serious about an Atlantic IMC.)
>>
>> a little confused,
>> boud (new-imc and imc-pl and imc-pl-torun volunteer)
>>
>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> duane
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>>>
>>> CC: <new-imc at lists.indymedia.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Duane,
>>>
>>> The best path in that direction is to write directly to the new-imc work
>>> group
>>> <new-imc at lists.indymedia.org>
>>> here:
>>> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/new-imc
>>>
>>> It handles the relations between new imc groups and the imc network, and
>>> facilitates the process of approval into the network.
>>>
>>> Petros
>>> _______
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