[New-imc] Online form: Proposed new IMC! (kuna)

Mon Feb 11 10:38:37 PST 2008

hi greg and broke,
i am writing here my personal opinion, from my own experience working with
communities in brasil and all. is great what you are doing, but I have a
question, is a common question when you do this type of work so you know
the people will be left with something concret, not only receive a
trainning and then when folks are gone they have no way to implement why
they have learned..most of the time this happen because of lack of
resources, that only existed during the trainning because the people who
did it was the one who had it with them and after they go home the local
ppl has no way to get such resources...
if they will learn web design without having a server to pratice, or to
upload their work (sites)... how they will use this skill for their
struggle? i know what you meant is that you would teach them how to work
with one of the cms's imc use.. and then leave up to them if they want to
use it or not.
but i would suggest that you first propose to them:

1. indymedia network presentation - how is organized, global lists, how to
join them, how a collective is build (new imc process), how the sites are
normally builded, how techs are organized within indymedia network etc.

2. independent host services, like linefeed, riseup, noblogs, sarava,
birosca, etc. how they are important and how to contact them...

3. basic on web design, how internet works (what is a web server etc)

maybe doing like this, when you are done with 1, 2, 3, it will be more
clear for them how it all works and how they can use the new skill within
the network of people who works with the same thing and provides support
for it.

just my personal opinion...
to make sure that after you leave they can move on without you and know
all the options they have... number 1 and 2 are very important for it!
bye bye
toya
> Hi IMC folks,
>
> I think that you raise a very important concern, that we certainly will be
> in a better position to address when we are with the Kuna. However, I
> think
> we are dealing with a chicken and egg issue here, in that we have been
> asked
> by the Kuna to teach web design to 10 youth from the community. It is our
> feeling that the Indymedia network is the best interface for the Kuna to
> be
> able to get their message out to the world. They have had difficulty in
> past
> with getting their struggle publicized. In order to be able to offer the
> Indymedia format for them to choose as an option, we would love to have
> your
> assistance in preparing to present this option to them.  We are not in any
> way suggesting that we would either start the site nor run the site, we
> will
> merely be offering technical assistance and training. The rest is up to
> them.
>
> Please let us know,
>
> Gregg and Brooke
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2008 11:30 PM, nick <sarsnic at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I bet it would be an uphill battle to get this imc through the process
>> of joining the network.  People would all be wondering how you could
>> have a consensus decision making process with this group you haven't
>> met yet and wouldn't be able to hold meetings with.  It it could be
>> seen as people in the global north trying to set up an IMC for a group
>> in the global south, instead of providing resources for them to do it
>> themselves.  This is all just my personal opinion.
>>
>> peace,
>> Nick
>>
>> On 09/02/2008, gosofsky at gmail.com <gosofsky at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Submitted by: Gregg Osofsky <gosofsky at gmail.com> on Saturday, February
>> 9th, 2008 @ 9:35:06 am (-0800)
>> >
>> > Client Variables
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>> > HTTP_USER_AGENT:
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>> >
>> > Online Form Fields
>> > ------------------
>> >
>> > proposed_imc_name:
>> > kuna
>> >
>> > proposed_imc_url:
>> > kuna.indymedia.org
>> >
>> > current_url:
>> >
>> >
>> > city:
>> >
>> >
>> > state:
>> > Kuna Yala
>> >
>> > country:
>> > Panama
>> >
>> > contact_name:
>> > Gregg Osofsky
>> >
>> > contact_email:
>> > gosofsky at gmail.com
>> >
>> > contact_phone:
>> > 917-886-2852
>> >
>> > tech_name:
>> > Gregg Osofsky
>> >
>> > tech_email:
>> > gosofsky at gmail.com
>> >
>> > tech_phone:
>> > 917-886-2852
>> >
>> > focus:
>> > regional_focus
>> >
>> > critical_dates:
>> > March 14, 2008
>> >
>> > supporting_groups:
>> >
>> >
>> > introductory_statement:
>> > I represent a 3-person delegation traveling to the Kuna Yala territory
>> of Panama to document the struggles facing the Kuna people. We have had
>> contact with the Kuna since 1999, but this is the first effort to
>> connect
>> them with the international community in a substantive way. We intend to
>> provide training to enable them to build and develop their indymedia and
>> web
>> presence.
>> >
>> > resources:
>> > Audio and video production, web design and production, political
>> organizing, and a fair amount of server space/bandwidth if needed.
>> >
>> > outreach:
>> > We have been in communication with members of the Kuna for the past 8
>> years. Furthermore, we have met with UN representatives as well as
>> leaders
>> of several NGOs representing Indigenous peoples.
>> >
>> > identity_makeup:
>> > We have not yet arrived in the Kuna region, but our tour of the region
>> will take us through many of the various tribal areas and communities.
>> >
>> > steps_represent_diversity:
>> > One of the primary goals of our trip is to train the Kuna to develop
>> and
>> produce their own media. In addition to training individuals in
>> audio/video
>> editing, we will teach a group of younger Kuna how to produce and
>> maintain
>> web pages/sites.
>> >
>> > steps_involve_new_workfields:
>> > Much of the training will be with the Kuna youth, both male and
>> female.
>> >
>> > username:
>> > Gregg Osofsky
>>
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