[New-imc] Online form: Proposed new IMC! (kuna)

Fri Feb 15 07:45:11 PST 2008

Thanks for all of this information. I believe Ibe (our contact down in
Panama) just filled out the form for a new IMC. Please look for it. I wanted
to inquire if anyone on this list knows anyone in NYC that is familiar with
setting up a new IMC on the technical/practical side (not the organizational
component). I would love to be able to sit with someone, go over the
process, and get a sense of how it all pieces together. Again, my hope is to
go down there with a firm sense of how this process works so I can train
folks and not try to reinvent the wheel. I'm particularly interested in CMS
used for IMCs. I'm not familiar with the ones that are on the sites I've
looked at (sf-active, OSCAILT, etc) and have no idea how they work.

Furthermore, on the hosting front, I presume it is best for the Kuna
themselves to make inquiries about hosting options rather than myself? I
would hope to procure hosting ASAP, so any thoughts on initiating that
process would be greatly appreciated as well.

Gregg

On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 5:38 PM, boud <boud at riseup.net> wrote:

> hi gregg, all,
>
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008, Gregg Osofsky wrote:
>
> > Your suggestions sound right on, but I guess I was hoping to get that
> kind
> > of guidance from you all. I'm an experienced web developer,
>
> So you should have no problems reading
>  https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowTo
> and more generally
>
> https://docs.indymedia.org
> https://lists.indymedia.org
>
> to get that guidance.
>
> > but I've never
> > set up an IMC site and am unfamiliar with how it and the Indymedia
> Network
> > works.
>
> We don't fully know nor agree with one another how our network
> functions either. :) But read and observe and propose to Kuna people
> to have a go at doing this themselves and they'll form their own
> opinion and understanding.
>
> > My main interest in contacting you was to receive guidance in
> > addressing #1 and #2 below. Hopefully, our last email to you addresses
> your
> > concerns about our politics so at this point we move forward and get
> some
> > assistance developing a training that accomplishes the goals established
> by
> > our Kuna contacts. I would like to arrive next week with a plan in place
> so
> > your immediate assistance would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Please let me know if you have any further questions and how you suggest
> we
> > proceed at this point.
>
> Hopefully the main confusion will be cleared up if you read
> https://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewImcHowTo
>
> If the Kuna people you train decide that something like indymedia is
> what they really want, then at that point of time you'll be able to
> suggest that *they themselves* send in the form for becoming accepted
> into the network as an autonomous indymedia collective.
>
> toya's list of 3 points is also a good outline of a training session.
>
> If you give them a decent presentation/training in those 3 points,
> then they'll also realise that creating a cool-looking, open
> publishing, open editing website (e.g. which looks close enough to an
> indymedia website) can be done in 5 minutes or so (so i've been told,
> anyway, e.g. on a wikifarm, but there are probably plenty of other
> possibilities).  On the other hand, creating an open, autonomous,
> sustainable, networked collective takes a lot more than 5 minutes...
>
> horizontalidad
> boud (IMC Torun and new-imc volunteer)
>
>
>
> > Gregg
> >
> > On Feb 11, 2008 1:38 PM, <toya at riseup.net> wrote:
> >
> >> hi greg and broke,
> >> i am writing here my personal opinion, from my own experience working
> with
> >> communities in brasil and all. is great what you are doing, but I have
> a
> >> question, is a common question when you do this type of work so you
> know
> >> the people will be left with something concret, not only receive a
> >> trainning and then when folks are gone they have no way to implement
> why
> >> they have learned..most of the time this happen because of lack of
> >> resources, that only existed during the trainning because the people
> who
> >> did it was the one who had it with them and after they go home the
> local
> >> ppl has no way to get such resources...
> >> if they will learn web design without having a server to pratice, or to
> >> upload their work (sites)... how they will use this skill for their
> >> struggle? i know what you meant is that you would teach them how to
> work
> >> with one of the cms's imc use.. and then leave up to them if they want
> to
> >> use it or not.
> >> but i would suggest that you first propose to them:
> >>
> >> 1. indymedia network presentation - how is organized, global lists, how
> to
> >> join them, how a collective is build (new imc process), how the sites
> are
> >> normally builded, how techs are organized within indymedia network etc.
> >>
> >> 2. independent host services, like linefeed, riseup, noblogs, sarava,
> >> birosca, etc. how they are important and how to contact them...
> >>
> >> 3. basic on web design, how internet works (what is a web server etc)
> >>
> >> maybe doing like this, when you are done with 1, 2, 3, it will be more
> >> clear for them how it all works and how they can use the new skill
> within
> >> the network of people who works with the same thing and provides
> support
> >> for it.
> >>
> >> just my personal opinion...
> >> to make sure that after you leave they can move on without you and know
> >> all the options they have... number 1 and 2 are very important for it!
> >> bye bye
> >> toya
> >>> Hi IMC folks,
> >>>
> >>> I think that you raise a very important concern, that we certainly
> will
> >> be
> >>> in a better position to address when we are with the Kuna. However, I
> >>> think
> >>> we are dealing with a chicken and egg issue here, in that we have been
> >>> asked
> >>> by the Kuna to teach web design to 10 youth from the community. It is
> >> our
> >>> feeling that the Indymedia network is the best interface for the Kuna
> to
> >>> be
> >>> able to get their message out to the world. They have had difficulty
> in
> >>> past
> >>> with getting their struggle publicized. In order to be able to offer
> the
> >>> Indymedia format for them to choose as an option, we would love to
> have
> >>> your
> >>> assistance in preparing to present this option to them.  We are not in
> >> any
> >>> way suggesting that we would either start the site nor run the site,
> we
> >>> will
> >>> merely be offering technical assistance and training. The rest is up
> to
> >>> them.
> >>>
> >>> Please let us know,
> >>>
> >>> Gregg and Brooke
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 9, 2008 11:30 PM, nick <sarsnic at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I bet it would be an uphill battle to get this imc through the
> process
> >>>> of joining the network.  People would all be wondering how you could
> >>>> have a consensus decision making process with this group you haven't
> >>>> met yet and wouldn't be able to hold meetings with.  It it could be
> >>>> seen as people in the global north trying to set up an IMC for a
> group
> >>>> in the global south, instead of providing resources for them to do it
> >>>> themselves.  This is all just my personal opinion.
> >>>>
> >>>> peace,
> >>>> Nick
> >>>>
> >>>> On 09/02/2008, gosofsky at gmail.com <gosofsky at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Submitted by: Gregg Osofsky <gosofsky at gmail.com> on Saturday,
> >> February
> >>>> 9th, 2008 @ 9:35:06 am (-0800)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Client Variables
> >>>>> ----------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> HTTP_USER_AGENT:
> >>>>> Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.12)
> >>>> Gecko/20080201 Firefox/2.0.0.12
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Online Form Fields
> >>>>> ------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> proposed_imc_name:
> >>>>> kuna
> >>>>>
> >>>>> proposed_imc_url:
> >>>>> kuna.indymedia.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> current_url:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> city:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> state:
> >>>>> Kuna Yala
> >>>>>
> >>>>> country:
> >>>>> Panama
> >>>>>
> >>>>> contact_name:
> >>>>> Gregg Osofsky
> >>>>>
> >>>>> contact_email:
> >>>>> gosofsky at gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> contact_phone:
> >>>>> 917-886-2852
> >>>>>
> >>>>> tech_name:
> >>>>> Gregg Osofsky
> >>>>>
> >>>>> tech_email:
> >>>>> gosofsky at gmail.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>> tech_phone:
> >>>>> 917-886-2852
> >>>>>
> >>>>> focus:
> >>>>> regional_focus
> >>>>>
> >>>>> critical_dates:
> >>>>> March 14, 2008
> >>>>>
> >>>>> supporting_groups:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> introductory_statement:
> >>>>> I represent a 3-person delegation traveling to the Kuna Yala
> >> territory
> >>>> of Panama to document the struggles facing the Kuna people. We have
> had
> >>>> contact with the Kuna since 1999, but this is the first effort to
> >>>> connect
> >>>> them with the international community in a substantive way. We intend
> >> to
> >>>> provide training to enable them to build and develop their indymedia
> >> and
> >>>> web
> >>>> presence.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> resources:
> >>>>> Audio and video production, web design and production, political
> >>>> organizing, and a fair amount of server space/bandwidth if needed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> outreach:
> >>>>> We have been in communication with members of the Kuna for the past
> 8
> >>>> years. Furthermore, we have met with UN representatives as well as
> >>>> leaders
> >>>> of several NGOs representing Indigenous peoples.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> identity_makeup:
> >>>>> We have not yet arrived in the Kuna region, but our tour of the
> >> region
> >>>> will take us through many of the various tribal areas and
> communities.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> steps_represent_diversity:
> >>>>> One of the primary goals of our trip is to train the Kuna to develop
> >>>> and
> >>>> produce their own media. In addition to training individuals in
> >>>> audio/video
> >>>> editing, we will teach a group of younger Kuna how to produce and
> >>>> maintain
> >>>> web pages/sites.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> steps_involve_new_workfields:
> >>>>> Much of the training will be with the Kuna youth, both male and
> >>>> female.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> username:
> >>>>> Gregg Osofsky
> >>>>
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> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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