[New-imc] [Cmi-brasil-sysadmins] [IMC-Tech] State of the nation - 25% of indymedia sites are dead

toya toya at linefeed.org
Fri Jun 27 08:51:35 PDT 2008 



hi there,
I am in favor of making a static copy of the pages that arent frozen yet.
rsync might be a good way of doing it.
but I still think that the links for the static frozen pages should be inside 
the cities lists, maybe create a section for 'archives indymedias' and list them
there, I just dont think an user will go to another page to then be able to see
what imcs are on that archive pages what arent...
the users will probably never go there...

About cmi paris, we are planning on doing some work, we tried already some stuff
with apache and it is not resolving it, we will make some mirrors for them to avoid
requests on the mysql for ppl who are just reading the site. Also put them in a 
separate mysql server so other sites on that server are less affected by it.

Thanks for the tips on that.
bye
toya


Kenneth Peiruza <kenneth at gnun.net> said:
> Hi all,
> 
>     If some sites are going to be 'stored', I would suggest to make a
> static copy of these sites, so, abandon the current php+mysql //
> java+mysql software and make a static html copy with wget or simmilar.
> 
>     Then, by pointing the sites to the static copies, we will save
> server resources and ensure no abuse/crack can be performed on these
> 'static mirrors' and we would be free to check if those sites are
> working or not after a system update.
> 
>     Then we can keep these sites linked in a 'archive' section as mumu
> proposed and never mind about their maintenance anymore.
> 
> 
>     About the DoS attack against Paris, we can use a simmilar strategy
> to push down the CPU usage: serve paris' website 'internally' in their
> server and configure a reverse proxy between the site and the Internet,
> configuring the proxy not to refresh dynamic content on demand but with
> a 'grace time', sort of 15 or 30 minutes will be fine, if attack is
> still harmful, just increase this value :D
> 
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> 
> Kenneth
> 
> 
> En/na mumu ha escrit:
> > hi,
> >
> > an other update
> >
> > http://nice.indymedia.org , last contribution 28 avril 2007
> >
> > toya a ?crit :
> >   
> >> hi ben, just an update on your list:
> >>
> >>  > http://chilesur.indymedia.org Frozen since Nov 2006
> >>  > http://india.indymedia.org/ Suspended in 2006
> >>
> >> both are hosted by imc brasil, both had their own collectives ask us to 
> >> froze their sites. And has being this way since 2006 as you pointed out.
> >> I don't see them as indymedia collectives or sites, since is a frozen 
> >> site. But is a resource for information that should be up and available 
> >> to the public.
> >>
> >>
> >>  > http://paris.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>
> >> the server is having problems and we are working on with ppl from paris 
> >> has being about a month, they are being attacked by bots like crazy and 
> >> that is making the cpu usage goes way too high for the rest of the 
> >> server...that is why you see it as 404 but ppl from paris are still 
> >> active and on irc with us working on it in a daily basis.
> >>
> >>
> >>  > Personally I believe that frozen/archive sites should also be removed
> >>  > from the list and a new imc project sites called archives.indymedia be
> >>  > created to point at such sites or better yet, pull their content into
> >>  > in to a safer home.
> >>
> >> Well our home is safe :P heheh I am kidding, I just want to say that the 
> >> server where those frozen sites (chilesur and india) are is safe and is 
> >> backed up etc. I think is a good idea to have them separate from the 
> >> list of sites that are avaliable. maybe they should be in a section 
> >> inside the list that says imc archives, and list the frozen sites...
> >> I just think that if we send the users to another page so they can see 
> >> what are the frozen sites etc, the user will never do it...so maybe 
> >> keeping the links in the same place so the user can see it right away, 
> >> would be better, and they can link and access the sites.
> >> If there are any frozen sites that doesnt have a 'good home' :) imc tech 
> >> brasil could host them as well, host the frozen ones is way easy :P then 
> >> the active ones hehe
> >>
> >> ciao
> >> toya
> >>
> >>
> >> ben wrote:
> >>   
> >>     
> >>> The following IMC sites (found displayed as links in the cities list
> >>> on all indymedia sites), are either dead, broken, frozen, unmanaged,
> >>> hacked, sold or otherwise unavailable at the time of writing. This
> >>> list is not intended as an exhustive list and may contain errors. It
> >>> certainly misses some other sites which are non functing but passed
> >>> automatic tests and were not checked manually. It may contain sites
> >>> which were temporarily unavailable at the time of testing.
> >>>
> >>> Obviously these 46 sites represent a substancial proportion of the 185
> >>> sites listed as being part of the global indymedia network. That's 25%
> >>> of the network down, and that's not including the 22 sites already
> >>> taken off the list and marked as inactive in the contacts database.
> >>>
> >>> Over twelve months ago I raised the issue of the number of dead sites
> >>> on the process list with the intention of getting such sites removed
> >>> (http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/translation/2007-June/0613-4g.html).
> >>> No progress was made (partly due to errors in my draft list) and also
> >>> because there appears to be no agreed process by which to de-list a
> >>> site.
> >>>
> >>> When it looked like no progress would be made on the global level I
> >>> proposed to my local IMC (indymedia UK) that we make use of a non
> >>> standard modified cities.inc list rather than the out-of-date list
> >>> generated by the IMC contacts database
> >>> (http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-uk-network/2007-June/0614-9p.html).
> >>> This was never implemented but with the creation of a new
> >>> london.indymedia site coming up in the next few weeks I intend to make
> >>> the proposal again.
> >>>
> >>> Obviously I would rather the issue could be solved at a global level
> >>> rather than implement unilateral local workarounds so I propose again
> >>> that any site (starting with those listed below) which are
> >>> inaccessible or broken for a period of 3 months, shall be removed from
> >>> the cities list and flagged as inactive on the contacts data base.
> >>>
> >>> Personally I believe that frozen/archive sites should also be removed
> >>> from the list and a new imc project sites called archives.indymedia be
> >>> created to point at such sites or better yet, pull their content into
> >>> in to a safer home.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ben
> >>>
> >>> http://richmond.indymedia.org/ Frozen June 2008
> >>> http://hawaii.indymedia.org/ Frozen since mid 2006
> >>> http://adelaide.indymedia.org/ Frozen since Nov 2006
> >>> http://vermont.indymedia.org/ Dada IMC code error
> >>> http://beirut.indymedia.org/ Frozen March 2007, collective desolved
> >>> http://bc.indymedia.org/ Site offline holding page
> >>> http://victoria.indymedia.org/ Site offline holding page
> >>> http://chilesur.indymedia.org Frozen since Nov 2006
> >>> http://bigmuddyimc.org/ Just a satic holding page
> >>> http://india.indymedia.org/ Suspended in 2006
> >>> http://binghamtonpmc.org/ Closed. Holding page
> >>> http://base.espora.org Not an Indymedia site
> >>> http://belgrade.indymedia.org Closed
> >>> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-balkan/2007-June/0615-tp.html
> >>> http://brisbane.indymedia.org/ Closed
> >>> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-tech/2007-June/0615-59.html
> >>> http://darwin.indymedia.org Closed
> >>> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-tech/2007-June/0615-59.html
> >>> http://worcester.buffaloimc.org 401 Unauthorized. requires password
> >>> http://nigeria.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://armenia.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://croatia.indymedia.org 404 Not Found
> >>> http://hungary.indymedia.org 404 Not Found
> >>> http://paris.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://193.189.147.16/cmitlse/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://hamilton.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://montreal.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://ontario.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://windsor.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://winnipeg.indymedia.org 404 Not Found
> >>> http://atlanta.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://cvilleindymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://colorado.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://www.hm.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://www.okimc.org 404 Not Found
> >>> http://omahaimc.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://sarasota.indymedia.org 404 Not Found
> >>> http://tnimc.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://mumbai.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://burma.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://lancaster.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://vienna.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://andinacol.indymedia.org 404 Not Found
> >>> http://www.quietrev.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://zimbabwe.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://moscow.indymedia.org 404 Not Found
> >>> http://www.twimc.org 404 Not Found
> >>> http://arica.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://armenia.indymedia.org/ 404 Not Found
> >>> http://omahaimc.org/ 404 Not Found
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