[Payment-discuss] two more voices on payment within the zapatista movement

[nick]

> That is why I reject so strongly the proposition made by Deva, for
> example, that Americans, who live in the most extreme capitalist economy
> of all, should rely upon the advice of people who have never lived here
> about how best to survive and bring about change in our society.

That seems like a inaccurate summary of the argument you are referring
to / strawman.  The people here giving advice are not the ones who
have never lived here.  We never had a Zapatista advising us.  Deva
unsubscribed by the way.

>Surely we can learn from the examples of others -- but we have to apply them to
> our specific social conditions. No one who doesn't live here can
> instruct us on the precise details of how to do that.

Again you are repeating the error.  Most of those trying to "instruct
us" do live here.   But even if they didn't, I disagree with the idea
that people from non-cash economies are somehow unable to
constructively confront us with the shortcomings, contradictions and
inherent problems about the way we organize ourselves.

peace
Nick