[Payment-discuss] two more voices on payment within the zapatista movement

[bmedia at riseup.net]

guy, please don't put words in peoples' mouths like that, and then  
assert that they have "withdrawn" whatever it was they said simply  
because they chose to disengage from the list. that's inaccurate. and  
yes, it is a moot point.

Cat

Quoting Guy Berliner <guy at sdimc.org>:

> I'm referring to a very specific proposal that Deva made, you can look
> back at the archives and read it for yourself and then explain again
> where the strawman is in what I've said. If he has effectively withdrawn
> it by unsubscribing, then perhaps it is a moot point.
>
> nick wrote:
>>> That is why I reject so strongly the proposition made by Deva, for
>>> example, that Americans, who live in the most extreme capitalist economy
>>> of all, should rely upon the advice of people who have never lived here
>>> about how best to survive and bring about change in our society.
>>>
>>
>> That seems like a inaccurate summary of the argument you are referring
>> to / strawman.  The people here giving advice are not the ones who
>> have never lived here.  We never had a Zapatista advising us.  Deva
>> unsubscribed by the way.
>>
>>
>>> Surely we can learn from the examples of others -- but we have to   
>>> apply them to
>>> our specific social conditions. No one who doesn't live here can
>>> instruct us on the precise details of how to do that.
>>>
>>
>> Again you are repeating the error.  Most of those trying to "instruct
>> us" do live here.   But even if they didn't, I disagree with the idea
>> that people from non-cash economies are somehow unable to
>> constructively confront us with the shortcomings, contradictions and
>> inherent problems about the way we organize ourselves.
>>
>> peace
>> Nick
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