[Resolve] RE: Denial

[Stacy]

>You took our site and url away from us without any process - now process 
>is suddenly a big deal? That's hypocritical. After a year of this shite 
>based on lies (evidenced) - returning our url is a small ask.

Mick, there *was* a process.  Perth decided to stop hosting your site 
because they couldn't deal with your internal conflicts anymore.  You were 
informed of that process.  After you couldn't resolve your conflicts, DIMC 
was effectively disaffiliated.

>We all know the truth Cam - that's why the DIMC has support and NAP has 
>none over this matter. Where is the local outrage about the initial 
>expulsions - that Stacy Scheff and Shayne (perth) supported? Not a peep.

I certainly never supported the expulsions, nor did Shayne, as proven 
here:
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-darwin/2005-April/0415-0b.html

As far as I know, NAP has nothing to do with this... any more so than 
Justice Action did.  This is just more of your tactics of twisting reality 
to suit your own arguments.  It is neither true nor moral to employ such 
tactics.

>Would your autonomous collective act any differently to ours - if the 
>DIMC changed your passwords and took your url after you'd been stalked, 
>threatened and assaulted by some people you'd expelled? While any 
>concrete 
>evidence you presented was just ignored or ridiculed?

If our hosts decided we were too much trouble to keep hosting, we would 
accept that decision gracefully.  We would not attack, slander and defame 
them by way of thanks for the years of support they have given us.

>We are in the right Cam - We told the truth and that seems a consensual 
>opinion amongst the collectives.

Where did you get that idea?  As far as I can see the only collective you 
have support from is Adelaide, and they haven't bothered to speak up on 
this list yet.  As for the rest, you have alienated and pissed off the 
entire network to the point where they've banned you from the organising 
list.  Talk about denial!

>We don't think we have a chance in hell of getting justice from New imc. 
>Not with a (proven) liar as biased and obsessed as Stacy Scheff running 
>things.

I don't "run things" Mick.  I am one member of one collective.  You keep 
threatening to "go global", well... guess what... that's what new-imc is. 
It is a global forum for you prove your righteousness.  If you are so sure 
that your links below are enough proof, then show them to the entire 
global network, and see what they say.  I've seen them a thousand times, 
and I still don't see the proof of vindication that you claim is there.

You keep talking about 'lies', well... its just not black and white.  As 
far as I can see, you are the only one that does any work in your new 
collective, therefore when I say you expelled the members, that's how it 
looks to me.  None of those other people were even members before the 
meeting where you started the purges.  So how is that statement a lie?

As for 'disavowed', that means that Fiona has since explained the 
circumstances under which she wrote the minutes.  She no longer claims 
that the minutes are a valid part of the DIMC collective organising, as 
far as I can tell.  Yes she wrote them, but she has disavowed them as 
being a valid document on which you could base your claims of vindication.

stacy