[Resolve] Yes - circular arguments and denial
mick lambe PARIAH
pariahnt at yahoo.com
Fri Feb 24 05:53:01 PST 2006
Sick of your dismissive - 'there is no evidence' spiel too Cam. You calling us liars?
It's in these people's own words.
There have been NO denials of the stalking, threats and violence at our homes. So stop pretending otherwise Cam.
Most activists in Darwin know about it. Fiona even tells you about one incident in her own words.
And no Stacy - I will not be calling the cops about these people's criminal behaviour. What a bizarre suggestion.
Cam - How does the story located at the above URL prove that Stacy is a liar?
"At least you (Stacy) aren't pretending that he doesn't exist,
even if you are pretending not to know about the photo
in question, so I guess progress is being made. Hope
you're still fighting the good fight at justice action."
Nigel (melbourne imc)
"Stacy - " He (Mick) expelled the entire original collective, and has installed a new one..."
Another lie. David, Mindy, Mick, Freddy, Viki and Fiona expelled Meyerhoff and Inder-Smith as Stacy knows."
Yet another lie - "All the proof of "vindication" is wild hearsay and scraps of stained paper, disavowed by their accused author."
Fiona admitted authorship of the rough minutes on oceania as Stacy knows.
Pretty straight-forward to anyone else. The spin is poor and months late.
If you are not prepared to deal in facts, you are biased because the facts are on our side. Why are sydney involved anyway?
We have local support (even a NAP/TUF member) because they know the truth and they know all the players. Not one activist here has criticised the expulsions.
You could return our url 'without prejudice' - which means no one is accused of anything (my preference strangely enough) - and if the expelled people have a case - they can mount it through the proper process as should have happened a year ago.
You have done everything back-to-front.
Here are the minutes again.
Darwin IndyMedia Collective Minutes
18th February 2006 - 2.30pm - One Mile Dam Aboriginal community
Present - Mindy, David, Mick, Noodle, Jim, Vikki
Apologies - Justin, Therese, Karen
David Timber welcomed us all to Aboriginal land, One Mile Dam community.
Sang Happy Birthday to David, Jim accompanied us on bluesharp.
New members (after intros and discussion) - accepted unanimously. Noodle, Jim, Vikki - Karen had a previous event to attend.
It was decided to let David explain the past events that led to the DIMC losing its indymedia url. Questions were asked to clarify events. The expelled people are known to the new members.
A motion on the legitimacy of the DIMC's decisions to expel Inder-Smith, Meyerhoff, Fiona and Viki, was unanimous in supporting the expulsions.
A motion that other collectives respect the DIMC's automony and return the DIMC's darwin.indymedia.org/ url was also supported unanimously.
We agreed we needed more local stories and had some discussion on the growing harassment of Aboriginal people in Darwin, (beatings, missiles from cars, etc...) the loss of the Community patrols and a host of other local issues.
Meeting closed - 4-00pm
mick DIMC imc liaison
Cameron Gregg <cam at earthanarchy.org> wrote: mick lambe PARIAH wrote:
> Our collective do not want a biased person involved who had us banned
> on the oceania list and then lied about the evidence vindicating us.
> Stacy also lied about the racist posts attacking the DIMC on
> Stacy was given a chance to refute our allegations before they were
> circulated widely
How does the story located at the above URL prove that Stacy is a liar?
All I can see is speculation, links to more stories, with more
speculation and more links. Your so called evidence is confusing, it
contains rants, other peoples text and links to links to links. Try to
at least be succint in your posts.
As for the photos in question in that story, as far as I know they were
hidden. As Stacy had said at the top, send us the URLs and they will be
hidden. Whats the problem? Instead of doing that you go on a rampage
calling Stacy and sydney indy a bunch of liars and racists.
I can't see this debate going anywhere, just a circular motion. Is
anybody on this list that isn't in oceania following this? What are your
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